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Why is Yang even on TV speaking about this? The only political experience he has is losing.
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So I'm assuming people that are selected for forgiveness will be notified soon?Dear Pres. Biden I see what you have done for others...
Everything is a number until it happens to you.He has something new to say
That 125,000 people are getting relief
You really need to get over thisEverything is a number until it happens to you.
$125,000 is like the tip of the iceberg. This issue is not a winning issue for him unless he can do something for the majority of people. That’s why the original $20k plan was a big deal.
I’m not getting over anything and based on my conversations with others they aren’t either. So I stand by my assessment.You really need to get over this
Biden didn't screw you over. You can't expect him not to talk about helping tens of thousands of people because of your individual petty grievance.
C'mon now
And you assessment is still seems wrong and is petty.I’m not getting over anything and based on my conversations with others they aren’t either. So I stand by my assessment.
In a country where people can’t see the value or feel happy for other people getting $200 to feed their starving children from the government. Do you think anyone is genuinely like “I like Biden because he got loan forgiveness for other people”?
You have no evidence of this beyond your own feelings and anecdotal evidenceIt’s a good thing he is doing but no it’s not a winning issue for him to be messaging on.
Show me the poll where this is a strong issue for Biden. Any poll at all post the SC decision where people are like “Biden’s loan forgiveness is a plus with me”.And you assessment is still seems wrong and is petty.
Forgiving student loans wasn't a winning issue either. There wasn't any real indication of large scale forgiveness tipping the scales for Biden.
It was the morally right thing to do, and Biden tried to do it.
With all due respect, this politics angle just seems like a convenient way to give cover to your irrational anger toward Biden and this situation.
You have no evidence of this beyond your own feelings and anecdotal evidence
What is even his "messaging" anyway? Putting out standard press releases and telling people that he is gonna try to help as many borrowers that he legally can. That is really a message that is gonna hurt him? I find that hard to believe
Either way, Joe Biden can't message his way out of the economic issues pulling his polling numbers down.
yeah the Supreme Court did Biden dirty and are the reason it did not go through but it made everyone look bad because Biden told them he could do it.I know Wargames is passionate about the forgiveness issue and I respect that he cares. I will say the same thing I did when the corrupt court struck it down and that is that getting mad at Joe or Democrats won't help. He accused me of not knowing what forgiveness would mean for folks and that a message of being proactive in the political process instead of giving into right wing talking points about Joe was insensitive.
If preventing another 4 years of Trump isn't a winning issue then what is?
I am not making the claim it is a winning issue. I am not making any claims about the impact of his messaging around this issue will have on the 2024 election.Show me the poll where this is a strong issue for Biden. Any poll at all post the SC decision where people are like “Biden’s loan forgiveness is a plus with me”.
I know someone who got 70k forgiven and I had to sit there and explain into detail how Biden forgave his debt by reopening a complaint case he had made years prior and just letting it expire. Even the process that he is “forgiving” the debt in is convoluted and the letters don’t have his name on it since in many cases he is uses administrative protocol to let it be “forgiven” and the letters can’t just say that when it explains that debt is forgiven.
I am not making the claim it is a winning issue. I am not making any claims about the impact of his messaging around this issue will have on the 2024 election.
YOU ARE.
I am simply not buying your claims
You are the one making the claim, without any evidence beyond your own feelings and stuff you heard. So it is not on me to disprove your claim.
The burden of proof is in you.
Why is this even important?
You know someone that got 70k forgiven that would not have been if Trump is in office.
Biden is using the means available to him to help people
Good.
so yeah I am standing by what I said earlier. I am not saying don’t do it, but it’s not something to hype up & probably should be done quietly. I brought up my friend because I don’t think it’s even a winning issue with the people being helped because of how he is doing it. If he wants to drop numbers save it for the debate with Trump.Regarding debt forgiveness generally, these numbers don't scream "winning issue" to me...
But like I said when Biden's plan was first announced, it didn't need to be.
It was the morally right thing to do.