John Wick
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Russell has a good view on this
School Me On This Russia/Ukraine Kerfuffle
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We did Conquer Hawaii, but in modern times, this beyond anything we've ever. done.
- Mar 5, 2005
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Time for the Russian citizens to start protesting. If they want to get out of their situation, than they have to a revolt.
- Oct 14, 2015
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This will be the last Johnny FD video I post, this dude is beyond trash. I’ve only been posting these because him and Bald are on the ground out there documenting the experience of fleeing Ukraine. Besides disregarding warnings from the West and even going on RT to deny that Russia was invading, here Johnny and Bald run for their lives from the impending Russian invasion. Now, mind you, Johnny is an Asian dude from California. But the way he’s been treating and talking about “foreigners” and “gypsies” in these videos has been horrible. And it also shows that Non-White people are really being treated and looked down upon like **** when trying to flee the war. He himself is a foreigner who’s running for his life and he still talks about certain people in a disparaging way.
And the dude moves to Ukraine, considers himself Ukrainian and talks about how great and civilized they are in comparison to Americans. Yet when it was time to fight, he ran for his life. But he still sells shirts calling himself a Mongolian warlord LOL
And the dude moves to Ukraine, considers himself Ukrainian and talks about how great and civilized they are in comparison to Americans. Yet when it was time to fight, he ran for his life. But he still sells shirts calling himself a Mongolian warlord LOL
- Mar 19, 2013
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That Johnny FD guy sounds like a real jerk.
@ “Mongolian Warlord”
More like Mongolian Chicken. I might have a plate in his honor tomorrow and hope he gets caught out there.
@ “Mongolian Warlord”More like Mongolian Chicken. I might have a plate in his honor tomorrow and hope he gets caught out there.
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This argument about Putin not wanting NATO at their borders sounds ridiculous.... so instead he's trying to expand his borders next to NATO????
Man ... that's the excuse ....... makes no sense to occupy a country to fend off NATO when this country is going to revolt first change they get.
Iight...
Man ... that's the excuse ....... makes no sense to occupy a country to fend off NATO when this country is going to revolt first change they get.
Iight...
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That’s what I was thinking too but isn’t it just essentially him not wanting more countries to just join NATO and be against him. As in Ukraine was on the verge of that
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My problem with blaming NATO is that they are being accused for the failures of Russian diplomats and strategists. The terms of admission in the organization have always been clear.
Russia has always known how important Ukraine was for their own safety, and yet, they never formalized the neutrality of territories they considered key through the numerous treaties they signed with the former republics and with Western powers. Instead, it's been 30 years of strategic hubris, and this invasion is a Hail Mary.
By resisting, the Ukrainian people has made their choice clear. The best Russia can do is slowing down Ukraine's move towards the West. I don't see the puppet regime and annexation options as feasible choices for the moment because the territory will be unmanageable and unstable, which will financially bleed an already isolated Russia.
Having said that, it's important to mention the problematic relationship Turkey has had with NATO. The country became a member in 1952, and it's the country I'd be afraid of if I were Russia because it's a former empire (descendant of the Ottomans).
Why Is Turkey in NATO Anyway?
The alliance goes back more than 60 years—and it’s been decades of disappointments for both sides.
Finally, the importance of Ukraine as a buffer state is due to the relative ease with which their terrain facilitates a ground invasion of Russia. The justification that Americans would have military bases in close proximity to Russia makes no sense because nuclear capability nullifies the option of a ground invasion. In addition, US capabilities insure that they don't need to be close to hit targets in Russia. I just don't see the rationality of that argument unless you still approach foreign relations with a territorial expansion mindset, which is what Russia does.
Meh.
To me, both countries are two opposite sides of the same imperialist coin. Look into the history of involvement of the Soviet Union in Angola, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, DRC, where they promoted the freedoms of their communism at the same time they were starving Slavic peoples and sending folks to goulags.
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2017 article
In the spring of 1933, the Soviet Union was in the depths of a class war. Soviet leader Joseph Stalin had sent workers and communists from the cities to extract grain from the countryside. “We realized,” as one of them put it, “that it was impossible for us to live on the same earth as these bloodsuckers.” The suppression of private agriculture, combined with unreasonable requisitions, caused millions to die that year in the Soviet Union. As The Post’s Anne Applebaum reveals in “Red Famine,” Stalin and the Soviet leadership enforced policies that ensured that the disaster was worst in Ukraine. According to the latest work of demographers, some 3.9 million people died by starvation in that Soviet republic.
Until the Holocaust, the great famine in Soviet Ukraine was the largest policy of mass killing in Europe in the 20th century. As Applebaum notes, the crimes of Stalin and Hitler shared a similar impulse: the desire to control the fertile black earth of Ukraine. For Stalin, Ukraine was a source of capital that could be used to create a modern industrial Soviet Union. Under his first Five-Year Plan of 1928-1933, millions of peasants were to be moved to urban areas (and to the concentration camps known as the gulag), and their farmland was to be brought under state control; its product was to be sold abroad or used to feed the growing cities. Adolf Hitler, in his time, wanted to strip Ukraine from the Soviet Union so that Germans could exploit its fertile lands, gain agricultural self-sufficiency and become a world power. Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941 to take the Ukrainian breadbasket. It was with that invasion that the mass murder of European Jews began.
So Ukraine suffered for reasons of economics and geography. Applebaum demonstrates that the causes of the great famine of 1933 were also national and political. Using her prodigious original research, she develops an interpretation that was first offered by the historian Terry Martin some 20 years ago. Her account will surely become the standard treatment of one of history’s great political atrocities.
The Soviet Union was founded in 1922 after a series of civil wars fought largely in Ukraine. The major Bolsheviks, Stalin included, were forced to accept the reality of a Ukrainian nation, and they designed the Soviet Union as a federation in order to co-opt Ukrainian national aspirations into the larger Soviet project. During the 1920s, when private agriculture was tolerated, the Soviets also educated young Ukrainian teachers, writers and artists. The expectation was that an elite educated in the Soviet spirit would one day lead its people toward a broader Soviet identity. This project, as Applebaum deftly shows, had its opponents from the beginning, chiefly among the Soviet secret police.
Yet these policies of the 1920s were a kind of holding action. A political revolution created the Soviet Union, but the ideology of its founders demanded that the revolution be economic. Stalin wended his way toward power during arguments among peers about how a country of peasants and nomads was to become a utopia of workers and engineers. His signature policy, associated with his name, was the collectivization of agriculture, which coincided with his consolidation of personal power. As in all tyrannical systems, the errors of the leader had to be ascribed elsewhere. Thus the massive resistance to collectivization in Ukraine in early 1930 was seen as a result not of the entirely justified fears of peasants that they would lose their livelihoods and ways of life, but rather of corrupt local communists and distant capitalists plotting against the regime. Stalin, in other words, chose a national and a political explanation over the truth.
The harvest of 1932 was worse than expected, and requisition targets were high. Ukrainian communists tried to explain to central authorities in Moscow that fulfilling the targets would mean mass starvation. Their simple observation was rejected categorically, and they were classified as enemies and punished. Requisitions proceeded at an entirely unrealistic level, absorbing what the peasants needed to survive the winter and even their seed corn for the next year.
As Applebaum recounts, the Soviet secret police provided Stalin with what they knew he wanted to hear. They passed along complaints they overheard from Ukrainian communists about the grotesque results of collectivization. Stalin, in turn, deemed the Ukrainian communists to be nationalists and corrupt agents of a foreign power. In late 1932, as hundreds of thousands were dying of starvation, Stalin and his closest comrades devised and enforced policies that guaranteed that death tolls in the Ukrainian republic would reach the millions.
Our modern sensibilities expect a modern kind of mass killing. We can imagine industrial extermination by gas. But as most of us are now distant from the countryside, and accustomed to ample and cheap food, we have trouble imagining deliberate starvation as a policy. However, as Harvard economist Amartya Sen long ago demonstrated, famine is usually political. In the case of the Soviet Union, the politics was driven by coercive development, which made peasants landless and helpless before it made them starve. In August 1932, Stalin formulated a law that criminalized taking even a single grain of wheat from a collective farm. In the ensuing months, Ukrainian peasants were banned from leaving their republic and from traveling to cities to beg. Areas that did not meet requisition targets were blacklisted, separated entirely from the Soviet economy, guaranteeing death. A meat tax was imposed on peasants, forcing them to slaughter their livestock; the milk or meat from a cow had been the last protection from starvation.
Applebaum re-creates a pastoral world so we can view its destruction. And she rightly insists that the deliberate starvation of the Ukrainian peasants was part of a larger policy against the Ukrainian nation. The cities fared better than the countryside in 1933, but the new generation of educated Ukrainians did not. The first show trial directed against Ukrainian culture was organized in 1930. Applebaum counts 200,000 arrests in the Ukrainian republic at the time of the famine, directed disproportionately at the new Ukrainian schools, publishing houses, newspapers and museums. Important backers of Ukrainian culture committed suicide; the great writers and artists who survived were murdered in the Great Terror a few years later.
Applebaum began this project long ago and is keen to disassociate her work from the current Russian occupation of southern and southeastern Ukraine. Yet knowledge of the famine does help to explain the attitudes of Russian leaders. The Kremlin justified the Russian invasion with the claim that the Ukrainian nation did not exist. That is the kind of thing people say when they align themselves with a history of imperialist mass murder. A past policy of destroying a nation has become a present claim that the nation never existed.
To be sure, Russia is not the Soviet Union, and Russians of today can decide whether they wish to accept a Stalinist version of the past. But to have that choice, they need a sense of the history. This is one more reason to be grateful for this remarkable book.
Until the Holocaust, the great famine in Soviet Ukraine was the largest policy of mass killing in Europe in the 20th century. As Applebaum notes, the crimes of Stalin and Hitler shared a similar impulse: the desire to control the fertile black earth of Ukraine. For Stalin, Ukraine was a source of capital that could be used to create a modern industrial Soviet Union. Under his first Five-Year Plan of 1928-1933, millions of peasants were to be moved to urban areas (and to the concentration camps known as the gulag), and their farmland was to be brought under state control; its product was to be sold abroad or used to feed the growing cities. Adolf Hitler, in his time, wanted to strip Ukraine from the Soviet Union so that Germans could exploit its fertile lands, gain agricultural self-sufficiency and become a world power. Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941 to take the Ukrainian breadbasket. It was with that invasion that the mass murder of European Jews began.
So Ukraine suffered for reasons of economics and geography. Applebaum demonstrates that the causes of the great famine of 1933 were also national and political. Using her prodigious original research, she develops an interpretation that was first offered by the historian Terry Martin some 20 years ago. Her account will surely become the standard treatment of one of history’s great political atrocities.
The Soviet Union was founded in 1922 after a series of civil wars fought largely in Ukraine. The major Bolsheviks, Stalin included, were forced to accept the reality of a Ukrainian nation, and they designed the Soviet Union as a federation in order to co-opt Ukrainian national aspirations into the larger Soviet project. During the 1920s, when private agriculture was tolerated, the Soviets also educated young Ukrainian teachers, writers and artists. The expectation was that an elite educated in the Soviet spirit would one day lead its people toward a broader Soviet identity. This project, as Applebaum deftly shows, had its opponents from the beginning, chiefly among the Soviet secret police.
Yet these policies of the 1920s were a kind of holding action. A political revolution created the Soviet Union, but the ideology of its founders demanded that the revolution be economic. Stalin wended his way toward power during arguments among peers about how a country of peasants and nomads was to become a utopia of workers and engineers. His signature policy, associated with his name, was the collectivization of agriculture, which coincided with his consolidation of personal power. As in all tyrannical systems, the errors of the leader had to be ascribed elsewhere. Thus the massive resistance to collectivization in Ukraine in early 1930 was seen as a result not of the entirely justified fears of peasants that they would lose their livelihoods and ways of life, but rather of corrupt local communists and distant capitalists plotting against the regime. Stalin, in other words, chose a national and a political explanation over the truth.
The harvest of 1932 was worse than expected, and requisition targets were high. Ukrainian communists tried to explain to central authorities in Moscow that fulfilling the targets would mean mass starvation. Their simple observation was rejected categorically, and they were classified as enemies and punished. Requisitions proceeded at an entirely unrealistic level, absorbing what the peasants needed to survive the winter and even their seed corn for the next year.
As Applebaum recounts, the Soviet secret police provided Stalin with what they knew he wanted to hear. They passed along complaints they overheard from Ukrainian communists about the grotesque results of collectivization. Stalin, in turn, deemed the Ukrainian communists to be nationalists and corrupt agents of a foreign power. In late 1932, as hundreds of thousands were dying of starvation, Stalin and his closest comrades devised and enforced policies that guaranteed that death tolls in the Ukrainian republic would reach the millions.
Our modern sensibilities expect a modern kind of mass killing. We can imagine industrial extermination by gas. But as most of us are now distant from the countryside, and accustomed to ample and cheap food, we have trouble imagining deliberate starvation as a policy. However, as Harvard economist Amartya Sen long ago demonstrated, famine is usually political. In the case of the Soviet Union, the politics was driven by coercive development, which made peasants landless and helpless before it made them starve. In August 1932, Stalin formulated a law that criminalized taking even a single grain of wheat from a collective farm. In the ensuing months, Ukrainian peasants were banned from leaving their republic and from traveling to cities to beg. Areas that did not meet requisition targets were blacklisted, separated entirely from the Soviet economy, guaranteeing death. A meat tax was imposed on peasants, forcing them to slaughter their livestock; the milk or meat from a cow had been the last protection from starvation.
Applebaum re-creates a pastoral world so we can view its destruction. And she rightly insists that the deliberate starvation of the Ukrainian peasants was part of a larger policy against the Ukrainian nation. The cities fared better than the countryside in 1933, but the new generation of educated Ukrainians did not. The first show trial directed against Ukrainian culture was organized in 1930. Applebaum counts 200,000 arrests in the Ukrainian republic at the time of the famine, directed disproportionately at the new Ukrainian schools, publishing houses, newspapers and museums. Important backers of Ukrainian culture committed suicide; the great writers and artists who survived were murdered in the Great Terror a few years later.
Applebaum began this project long ago and is keen to disassociate her work from the current Russian occupation of southern and southeastern Ukraine. Yet knowledge of the famine does help to explain the attitudes of Russian leaders. The Kremlin justified the Russian invasion with the claim that the Ukrainian nation did not exist. That is the kind of thing people say when they align themselves with a history of imperialist mass murder. A past policy of destroying a nation has become a present claim that the nation never existed.
To be sure, Russia is not the Soviet Union, and Russians of today can decide whether they wish to accept a Stalinist version of the past. But to have that choice, they need a sense of the history. This is one more reason to be grateful for this remarkable book.
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It sucks to be a civilian of Russia against Putin and the war and having to suffer all the same.
Those trying to protest are just getting arrested so ...
Those trying to protest are just getting arrested so ...
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Unlike some other countries (Ukraine) Russia doesn't have much of a history of protest. There are also plenty of nationalist types who take what the Kremlin is telling them as gospel
The uneducated are fierce Putin loyalists and education has been deemphasized in Russia for a long time (something not unnoticed by fascists in America)
The uneducated are fierce Putin loyalists and education has been deemphasized in Russia for a long time (something not unnoticed by fascists in America)
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you must be studying the GOP textbooks
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We invaded, pillaged, destroyed, overthrew, mass murdered...but we haven't conquered!
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What a costly week
- Feb 23, 2010
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^buddy just trashed a 20000000 ruble device for 12 likes on the gram
- Feb 23, 2010
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Ukrainians 'tape looters to posts as they try capitalising on Russian invasion'
Ukrainian locals have resorted to taping up looters to telephone poles and lamp posts after local media reported a rise in looting amid the Russian invasion of the country
www.dailystar.co.uk
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The hits keep on coming.
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pirate business about to start booming
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USA doesn’t have to “conquer” cuz they pull up in a country, F it up behind the scenes, take what they want and leave the resulting chaos to the locals to handle…They’ve perfected this over the years all in the name of “freedom” and “anti terrorism”
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