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Shaq trade offical like referree with a whistle (Planet Orange in SHOCK)
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Moving stat to the 4 will work for them.
This will probably work out and damn it if we get bounced by the suns again I will put a hit out on snaq.
This will probably work out and damn it if we get bounced by the suns again I will put a hit out on snaq.
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Well, it's not all that bad Zodogg.
I mean, you could have woke up and found out that SG #24 was on the Suns. Now that would have been a real nightmare for you.
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Some local media opinions in Phx
[h1]Gambo: Worse Trade In Suns' History[/h1]
[h3]February 5th, 2008 @ 7:24pm[/h3] [h3]by John Gambadoro/Sports 620 KTAR[/h3]
If the Suns trade for Shaquille O'Neal, Robert Sarver should sell the team and concentrate full time on banking and Steve Kerr should go back to broadcasting.
This would be one of the worst trades that the Suns have ever made.
O'Neal has zero left in the tank - he can't play anymore. He is a shell of his former self and at 36 years old and with two years and $40 million remaining on his deal, the Suns would be fools to bring him here.
Outside of Phoenix and Dallas, nobody wants the Diesel and the Mavericks would only want him if they could get rid of Eric Dampier, not Josh Howard.
Shawn Marion is a better player than O'Neal, plain and simple. Shaq is not even a top 40 player in this league and the Suns would be worse defensively if they got him.
Let me say this again - the Suns would be worse defensively. He can't move, can't rebound. About all he does on defense these days is foul - look it up. He cannot guard Tim Duncan.
Shaq may still talk a good game but he can't back it up. And he can't stay healthy. There is a reason Miami wants to rid themselves of him and it's because they know he no longer is a factor in this league.
If the Suns make this move than Sarver and Kerr will be starring in the sequel to Dumb and Dumber.
[h1]Schmehl: The Big Aristotle Would Be A Big Mistake[/h1]
[h3]by James Schmehl/Sports 620 KTAR[/h3]
If Mike D'Antoni is looking for a way to slow down his offense and eat up loads of salary cap space, he is certainly looking in the right direction.
Rumors have surfaced that the Suns are in discussions with the Miami Heat to acquire 14-time All-Star Shaquille O'Neal.
It's a bold move that would force the Suns to trade forward Shawn Marion and guard Marcus Banks and pick up O'Neal's two-year contract worth $20 million per year.
Defense has been Phoenix's Achilles heel and it's defense that continues to haunt center Amare Stoudemire, who is clearly playing out of position.
O'Neal - named three times to the All-NBA Second Defensive Team - would certainly fill the Suns' void in the paint and allow Stoudemire to play the power forward position that fits him best.
*Pause*
If it was 2001.
Now, the one-time Man of Steel that roamed the paint can be found on the sidelines nursing a hip and thigh injury.
Instead of posting career highs, O'Neal is recording career lows, including a scoring average that has dipped to 14.2 points per game.
Less than two days ago, D'Antoni said the Suns were still strong enough to beat any team - despite the Los Angeles Lakers' acquisition of 7-footer Pau Gasol.
So why the sudden change of heart?
Easy. He realized he was wrong.
The Suns have struggled to make a name for themselves in the Western Conference with powerhouse San Antonio blocking their entrance into the NBA Finals.
Now, the Suns might find difficulty winning their own division.
How can the Suns compete with a starting lineup containing Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Kobe Bryant and Gasol?
It's a difficult question, but O'Neal is far from the answer.
Obviously, Suns Majority Owner Robert Sarver and General Manager Steve Kerr thought otherwise.
Sarver and Kerr are delivering a clear message to D'Antoni if the Suns land the Big Aristotle: This is the year.
A lot is on the line for the Suns if the blockbuster trade is approved - including D'Antoni's job.
Unfortunately for D'Antoni and Marion, it won't be the year.
It won't be the year D'Antoni wins his first NBA title.
Instead, it would be the year D'Antoni is forced to abandon his up tempo offense and witness opponents run circles around the outdated O'Neal.
It won't be the year Marion makes a name for himself.
Instead, it would be the year Marion departs a Western Conference team destined for championship glory for an Eastern Conference team plunged deep in the toilet.
And, yet again, the star status Marion has yearned for would be buried deep in the shadows of the beloved Dwayne Wade.
O'Neal didn't ask for this trade.
It's not his fault he's outdated - it's the Suns fault that they're out of their mind
[h1]Gibberman: Suns Have Lost Their Mind[/h1]
[h3]February 5th, 2008 @ 9:21pm[/h3] [h3]by Bryan Gibberman/Sports 620 KTAR[/h3]
Have the Suns lost their mind?
Trading Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks for Shaquille O'Neal not only hurts them this year, but also in the future.
Shaq can't guard the pick-and-roll and he is no longer active on defense like he used to be. The one thing O'Neal would improve would be the defensive rebounding, while Phoenix would lose their best defensive player in Shawn Marion.
On the offensive end, Coach D'Antoni would have to completely change their offense. Shaq would clog the middle - not letting Nash, Amare, Hill or Diaw go to the basket. The Suns do not have the shooters to surround O'Neal to make him successful.
Shaq is on the books for two more years after this season at $20 million. Marion could possibly be off the books after this season if he doesn't pick up his player option. This deal gives the Suns no roster flexibility until O'Neal comes off the books and closes their window of opportunity to win an NBA Title to two years
[h1][/h1][h1]FanBoy blog[/h1] [h2]It is what it is: The Republic sports staff dissects the day's news, nonsense[/h2]
[h1]Shaq to Suns?[/h1]
Have you seen this? I mean, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS? It's not April Fool's Day yet, so I'm trying to figure out the sense in this: Shaquille O'Neal for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks??
Our guy, Paul Coro, is workin' the phones. But this makes no sense on several levels, not the least of which seems to be that Shaq is pretty much at the end of the line. And, oh, adding a 7-foot-1, 325-pound center might have some ramifications in that whole up-tempo game plan.
Look, I know the Suns would love to unload Banks' salary -- and they'll have to accept something undesirable to do it -- but this is not the answer. This seems desperate, and the dangling of Marion (once again) won't improve his relationship with the team; remember what Marion said before the season: "I'm tired of hearing my name in trades. I love my fans in Phoenix but I think it's time for me to move on."
Is Robert Sarver turning back on his word about Marion and Amare Stoudemire?: "They are just flat-out not getting traded." Or this just more hot air?
Topics: SPORTS, Phoenix Suns, marcus banks, Shawn Marion, Shaquille O'Neal
posted by FanBoy on Tuesday, February 5, 2008 at 05:46 PM
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[h3]Bordow: Marion for O'Neal? Suns can't be serious[/h3]Comments 1| Recommend 0 [h4]Scott Bordow, Tribune Columnist[/h4]
The moment you heard it, you knew it couldn't be true. Shaquille O'Neal to Phoenix for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks? The Suns would never do that. Would they?
Get Ready … Here Comes Shaq!
Report: Suns, Heat talking trade involving Marion, O'Neal
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O'Neal is 35 years old. His body is breaking down. He's owed $40 million over the next two seasons.
Then there's the fact he's the worst possible fit for Mike D'Antoni's offensive system, a big man who slows the ball down and moves about as well as a refrigerator.
And yet, the Suns are contemplating just such a deal.
To which I say: Are you kidding me?
If Phoenix is so desperate for a center who can't play anymore, why not trade for Bill Russell? He makes about as much sense as O'Neal. And he plays better defense.
Shaq is no longer Shaq. He's averaging a career-low 14.2 points per game. He has a hip injury that's sidelined him the past six games, and the Heat don't know when he'll be healthy, or if he'll ever be healthy again.
So why do this?
And why now?
It appears Phoenix is panicking over the Los Angeles Lakers' recent acquisition of Pau Gasol. The Suns have the best record in the Western Conference, and for the last couple of weeks owner Robert Sarver and general manager Steve Kerr have been saying they plan to stand pat.
Marion for O'Neal isn't standing pat.
It's blowing up the team.
The trade doesn't make any sense for the Suns, either from a competitive or financial standpoint.
Phoenix will be bigger, but not better. Marion averages more rebounds per game (9.9) than O'Neal (7.
And while the combined salaries of Marion and Banks would offset O'Neal's $20 million next season, the Suns would be on the hook for O'Neal's $20 million salary in 2009-2010 while Marion's contract comes off the books.
Clearly, this is a desperation move by Phoenix, a last-gasp attempt to win an NBA title.
If Shaq could still dominate, even for short periods of time, perhaps it would be worth the gamble.
But he can't dominate any longer. He's a shell of his former self on the offensive end of the floor and a liability defensively.
We won't even mention his free-throw shooting.
And what if Phoenix doesn't win a title this season with Shaq? Then it has an old club - Grant Hill is 35, Steve Nash turns 34 Thursday - and a $20 million albatross on the salary cap.
Is that really how Kerr wants his first major move to be remembered?
That the Suns are even considering the deal is the best evidence yet that there's a philosophical rift between Kerr and D'Antoni.
There's no way D'Antoni can be in favor of the deal. O'Neal is the antithesis of everything he believes in offensively, and everything the Suns do. Kerr couldn't express his disapproval of D'Antoni's methods any louder if he tried.
Know this: The day O'Neal dons a Phoenix uniform will mark the beginning of the end of D'Antoni as coach.
Let's hope Kerr comes to his senses and kills the deal. O'Neal might sound good in theory but in reality he's 350 pounds of dead weight.
But if the trade is made, Jerry Colangelo will be off the hook.
No longer will his Dennis Johnson-for-Rick Robey deal be the stupidest move in franchise history.
In fact, it won't even be a close second.
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R.I.P. SUNS
R.I.P. SUNS
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As a Laker fan, this does worry me slightly. The last thing I would want to happen is for Snaq to try and come out motivated and prove everyone wrong who sayshe's fat (which he is), washed up, and can't run at all. At least with Marion, LA's Super Frontline, would be able to [Barkley] Punish dem midgets[Barkley]. Now with Snaq, the middle is at the very least is going to be congested. I just hope Snaq plays like he did earlier this year, this trade is still ahead scratcher for the Suns though, because isn't Snaq still injured?
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We need to archive this so we can revist in a few months.
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What a horrible trade.
I can't say it enough.
If only my GM (Isiah Thomas) were smart enough to take advantage of Steve Kerr. Too bad Isiah is worse.
I can't say it enough.
If only my GM (Isiah Thomas) were smart enough to take advantage of Steve Kerr. Too bad Isiah is worse.
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hopefully shaq can be motivated...if not...it's been a nice run phoenix
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the Suns...they still dont have "it"....
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nash will have a hard time now on the defensive side of the ball because marion would guard parker, williams,davis and so on. now it will rely on nash who isnot a very good defender
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I think this has all the making of a successful Shaq + Suns experience.
People thought Moss was a mistake, but that worked out pretty well.
"Yeah, but ska... Moss is younger. Moss is still talented. Moss is..."
I'm just saying, the doubts were heavy, and the doubters were wrong.
I think that same formula will hold true here. I'm not saying he's going to be the most dominant player in the game again, but I AM saying he'll bea positive contribution.
People thought Moss was a mistake, but that worked out pretty well.
"Yeah, but ska... Moss is younger. Moss is still talented. Moss is..."
I'm just saying, the doubts were heavy, and the doubters were wrong.
I think that same formula will hold true here. I'm not saying he's going to be the most dominant player in the game again, but I AM saying he'll bea positive contribution.
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If Shaq can come back motivated then this is a good short term trade for the Suns. Marion was a locker room cancer is was playing to opt out this summer andleave the Suns with nothing. The trade is also a good one for the Heat. They get to build around a Wade and Marion core and will pick up a few wins this yearin the East because of the trade. I think that will prevent them from getting a top 3 pick in the draft.
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"Yeah, but ska... Moss is younger. Moss is still talented. Moss is..."
Read my mind.
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Moss had so much left in the tank. He could still jump. He could still run. He could still get open. He still had hands.
There is no way anyone can honestly compare Moss to the Patriots with Shaq to the Suns.
There is no way anyone can honestly compare Moss to the Patriots with Shaq to the Suns.
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the suns might need shaq for the playoffs because they probably know that the run and gun offense wont work in the playoffs. he will prolly give otherpeople open looks from double teams, but losing marion was big because he was able to guard 4 positions. i heard he wanted this trade to happen also because heis still unhappy there but this is really a HUGE gamble for the suns.
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Ska I've been saying this since I first heard the rumor...
I don't get why people are saying Shaq is "gonna be out of breath" trying to keep up with the Suns...like they aren't going to at least tryto change their offensive philosophy
This trade could be really good or it could be really bad....
BTW, can people stop posting repeat links saying that "shaq trade pending physical"? I think we all got that by now
I don't get why people are saying Shaq is "gonna be out of breath" trying to keep up with the Suns...like they aren't going to at least tryto change their offensive philosophy
This trade could be really good or it could be really bad....
BTW, can people stop posting repeat links saying that "shaq trade pending physical"? I think we all got that by now
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Guess we'll see how it all pans out.
The West =
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The ONLY way that this can be good for the Suns is IF they win the championship THIS year, anything less, and this is one of the tremendous failures in thehistory of sports. Kerr will be back on TNT next year and Hitler Jr. (D'Antoni) will be gone. The Phoenix organization has officially put all their chipson the table and have said it's now or never, it just seems bizarre that a 1st place team in the conference would mess with their chemistry like this inthe middle of the season.
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Apples to oranges. Scratch that, apples to onions.
Brady always lacked a big time WR. The Patriots gave up a mere FOURTH rounder to 'gamble' on Moss, who was still productive, even though he was on ahorrible team.
The thing with this Shaq deal is the Suns gave up MARION. Basically the second biggest piece to the puzzle on that team behind Steve Nash. (The Suns can stillwin, even if Amare is injured. That's because Matrix is that dude)
And it's not like the Suns aren't competitve. They're still winning and playing good ball, and come playoff time, they've come close a lot oftimes to making it to the big show. They basically tried to keep up with the Jones' here, because of the Gasol trade.
Thing is though, Shaq is OLD. He's a shell of his former self. He's injury prone.
Marion doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.
He brings a lot more to the table to that Suns team than Shaq does.
Shaq = crossing fingers it works out
Marion = Known commodity
We'll see if the risk turns out to reward, but as of now, it's definitely a big risk for the Suns.
