Shaq trade offical like referree with a whistle (Planet Orange in SHOCK)

[eaglebball1499]

Regardless of whether the Suns are going to be better now, this is really the best scenario for Shaq and the Heat. Here in Miami, he was going play out thelast two years of his career plodding along for 35 minutes a night on a terrible to mediocre team. At least now he goes to a contender out west, and willonly have to play about 20 minutes a night during the regular season to keep relatively healthy.

As for the Heat, they unload Diesel's AWFUL contract, getting a much younger and more dynamic player in Marion in return. If he stays, you build aroundhim, Wade, and the likely top 2 pick from this year's draft, and still have enough cap room to sign a solid starter. If he goes, then you have $20+million in cap space to run amok in a crazy talented free agent class.

If Marion extends, my thoughts are:
Draft Derrick Rose, sign a guy like Biedrins or Josh Childress.

If Marion bolds:
Probably draft Michael Beasley, sign a young tarting PG (Calderon, Juan Carlos Navarro, Duhon, Lou Williams, or maybe even Carlos Arroyo), and Elton Brand.
If they draft Rose, sign Brand and Ron Artest/Luol Deng.

Can you imagine a 2009 lineup of Rose, Wade, Marion, Haslem, and Biedrins? Or Rose, Wade, Artest, Brand, and (insert center here)? Or if they wanted tospread their money around more, a lineup of Rose, Wade, Deng, Haslem, and Biedrins? Talk about turning it around in a hurry.

On the Sun's side, it's definitely make or break for the next two years.

 

[franchise3]

It's a big risk for the Suns, as they're doing this mid season.

It might mess up their chemistry, since obviously Shaq is not fit to run in that run and gun offense.

The Suns basically have to tweak their offense to accomodate him.

The Heat come out on top for sure. People question whether or not Marion can be a guy you build a team around, but you can definitely build a team around Wade+ Marion.

And like eagle said, the Heat are going to get a high draft pick to boot.

Things are looking good in Miami.

 

[tupac003]

Thats great...

 

[franchise3]

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Tweak? The Suns pretty much have to flip their focus on offense at this point.

 

[franchise3]

Originally Posted by HarlemToTheBronx

Tweak? The Suns pretty much have to flip their focus on offense at this point.

You're right.

 

[chikickz]

lol, Shaq's Suns uniform

Brilliant as always.

 

[chikickz]

Originally Posted by bobby24K

The ONLY way that this can be good for the Suns is IF they win the championship THIS year, anything less, and this is one of the tremendous failures in the history of sports. Kerr will be back on TNT next year and Hitler Jr. (D'Antoni) will be gone. The Phoenix organization has officially put all their chips on the table and have said it's now or never, it just seems bizarre that a 1st place team in the conference would mess with their chemistry like this in the middle of the season.

Hitler Jr? What the heck?

The Suns are 14-12 against the Western Conference. Are you paying attention at all here or in school?

 

[lawdog1]

Since Suns fans seem to be so against this trade, I guess they really thought they had a legitimate chance to win the championship this year with the teamthey currently have. I think its pretty iffy. They've had basically the same team for the last three years and haven't been able to get it done. TheWest is stronger than ever. Yeah, the Spurs have been down a little, but the Lakers and Hornets are both much better than they were last year.

If I were a Suns fan, I'd think it was worth the risk. What do you really lose? Marion, by all accounts, was as good as gone anyway. The rest of theteam is still in tact. Yeah, the team has to carry Shaq's contract for a couple years, but its not like they need cap space to rebuild, as Miami now does. Phoenix currently has a number of good, young players in Barbosa, Stoudamire, Diaw, etc. If Shaq plays well, you potentially get a championship out of it.

 

[darthska]

me:

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I think this has all the making of a successful Shaq + Suns experience.

People thought Moss was a mistake, but that worked out pretty well.

"Yeah, but ska... Moss is younger. Moss is still talented. Moss is..."

I'm just saying, the doubts were heavy, and the doubters were wrong.

I think that same formula will hold true here. I'm not saying he's going to be the most dominant player in the game again, but I AM saying he'll be a positive contribution.

franchise3:

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Apples to oranges. Scratch that, apples to onions.

Brady always lacked a big time WR. The Patriots gave up a mere FOURTH rounder to 'gamble' on Moss, who was still productive, even though he was on a horrible team.

The thing with this Shaq deal is the Suns gave up MARION. Basically the second biggest piece to the puzzle on that team behind Steve Nash. (The Suns can still win, even if Amare is injured. That's because Matrix is that dude)

And it's not like the Suns aren't competitve. They're still winning and playing good ball, and come playoff time, they've come close a lot of times to making it to the big show. They basically tried to keep up with the Jones' here, because of the Gasol trade.

Thing is though, Shaq is OLD. He's a shell of his former self. He's injury prone.

Marion doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.

He brings a lot more to the table to that Suns team than Shaq does.

Shaq = crossing fingers it works out

Marion = Known commodity

We'll see if the risk turns out to reward, but as of now, it's definitely a big risk for the Suns.

You're not getting it: I'm talking about the doubt, and the fact that the early doubts were proven wrong.

Your reply had to do with the players.

I'm not talking about the players.

I'm talking about doubts being proven wrong, which is what I think will happen here.

 

[ohyeah10]

im just happy this is making nbadotcom mad! what if he starts cutting his wrists during suns games?!?!

 

[rasmekpeace]

Lets see...what is Shaq bringing to the table? About 14 pts when HEALTHY, 7 rebounds when HEALTHY, which means he'll probably miss 10-15 more games. Marionaverages around 16 pts and 10 boards,is a gamer, and can handle the Suns uptempo offense. I really think PHX is making a huge mistake by trading away Marion.This completely changes the Suns offensive game plan and limits what they can do offensively, (push the ball, get easy baskets, etc) and many teams will beable to take advantage of their transition D. Putting a big body in the middle doesn't mean anything in the NBA. Many of the Western Conference bigs canconsistently shoot a 10-15 ft jumper, and will exploit the pick and roll to no end against Shaq.

 

[gko2408]

After thinking about it, I realize that this is great for PHX. This is almost an open challenge to Nash. If Nash can make this work, he's just bumpedhimself a notch or two on the Top PG List.

 

[franchise3]

Originally Posted by 23ska909red02

me:

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I think this has all the making of a successful Shaq + Suns experience.

People thought Moss was a mistake, but that worked out pretty well.

"Yeah, but ska... Moss is younger. Moss is still talented. Moss is..."

I'm just saying, the doubts were heavy, and the doubters were wrong.

I think that same formula will hold true here. I'm not saying he's going to be the most dominant player in the game again, but I AM saying he'll be a positive contribution.

franchise3:

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Apples to oranges. Scratch that, apples to onions.

Brady always lacked a big time WR. The Patriots gave up a mere FOURTH rounder to 'gamble' on Moss, who was still productive, even though he was on a horrible team.

The thing with this Shaq deal is the Suns gave up MARION. Basically the second biggest piece to the puzzle on that team behind Steve Nash. (The Suns can still win, even if Amare is injured. That's because Matrix is that dude)

And it's not like the Suns aren't competitve. They're still winning and playing good ball, and come playoff time, they've come close a lot of times to making it to the big show. They basically tried to keep up with the Jones' here, because of the Gasol trade.

Thing is though, Shaq is OLD. He's a shell of his former self. He's injury prone.

Marion doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.

He brings a lot more to the table to that Suns team than Shaq does.

Shaq = crossing fingers it works out

Marion = Known commodity

We'll see if the risk turns out to reward, but as of now, it's definitely a big risk for the Suns.

You're not getting it: I'm talking about the doubt, and the fact that the early doubts were proven wrong.

Your reply had to do with the players.

I'm not talking about the players.

I'm talking about doubts being proven wrong, which is what I think will happen here.

I guess we'll see, but on the outside looking in, the doubt is warranted. Well warranted.

The Suns basically have to switch up their offense to accomodate Shaq, who has like 2 years left AT BEST.

And that's best case scenario, and even then, we don't know how it'll all fare, since he doesn't seem like the player you would want in thatsort of offense.

Agan, we'll see.

 

[blackmagnus514]

They already have Shaq's uniform at the Suns store: Picture

well the Suns got no choice not..they HAVE to change their offense

 

[the dauqs]

I dont fully understand why Suns fans are mad at this. Marion was going to opt out and leave after this season. Why not get something for him, instead ofletting him go for nothing? Yea Shaq cant get up and down to the speed that the Suns would like, but really playing that style is never going to get you aring. Kerr has been vocal about this and has wanted D'antoni to switch to a more half court style. Yes run and gun is exciting and you score a lot ofpoints, but you give the other team is always going to be in the game. Even if you're up by 10-15. Your defense is going to lack, even if you have goodindividual defensive players.This is the same reason why Memphis will not win the NC. ( I know, nothing to do with this but the teams like to play that uptempostyle)

 

[franchise3]

Plus nobody really doubted the Moss aquisition, anyway.

A lot of people jumped on the bandwagon early on thinking Brady + Moss would be a good fit together.

Moss going to a team with a good team structure, star QB to throw to him, and Brady finally getting a big time WR.

 

[goodfellaz86]

I cant wait to hear what Marion has 2 say about being traded.

I'm sure he hated Phoenix for all the trade rumors they put him thru

 

[ballinboykz]

I really dont see the point of this trade on the part of the Suns. Shaq is going to slow everything down, and is on the decline fast. Marion on the other hand,will give you 20/10 every night; something Shaq isnt as good as any more.

I honestly think this trade was done just because the Lakers got Pau... if that is the case, Phoenix management should be shot for allowing this

 

[chikickz]

The 7 second shot clock sells tickets. It doesn't win championships. It's that simple. No team can compete for a title if they cannot stop the otherteam.

Steve Kerr played with MJ. He played with Duncan. He played for Phil Jackson. He played for Greg Popovich. Sarver and minority owners knew this when they hiredSteve Kerr. It should be no surprise that Kerr merely read out loud the writing on the wall. The Suns with Marion are a .500 team against their conference anda sub .500 team against WC playoff teams. Does it get any clearer than this?

 

[nbadotcom]

Stick a fork in us.
We're done.

 

[blackredxiiigoat]

I think this trade COULD work...and I do understand why PHX did it...not sure if it WILL work though...but...

Im sitting here thinking, lets say in theory Dallas traded for him and not PHX as was rumored, and DAL only gave up say, Dampier, or Diop, one or the other,and a filler or something along those lines. They kept Dirk, Josh, Terry, and Devin. I really dont think that Oneal would be getting bashed like he is rightnow.

YES he is old and no where near what he used to be. NO I am not an Oneal, PHX, or DAL fan. Yes I am aware that his style is opposite for PHX likes to do. Ijust feel like almost no one is giving this guy a chance of even being slightly productive anymore. I think hes taking even more hear than he should because hewas traded for Marion and not say, Diaw.

Idk if I expressed my point clearly enough or not, I guess im jus trying to play Devil's Advocate kind of.

 

[bullsrepeat3peat]

Originally Posted by chikickz

The 7 second shot clock sells tickets. It doesn't win championships. It's that simple. No team can compete for a title if they cannot stop the other team.

Steve Kerr played with MJ. He played with Duncan. He played for Phil Jackson. He played for Greg Popovich. Sarver and minority owners knew this when they hired Steve Kerr. It should be no surprise that Kerr merely read out loud the writing on the wall. The Suns with Marion are a .500 team against their conference and a sub .500 team against WC playoff teams. Does it get any clearer than this?

 

[grittyman20]

Putting a big body in the middle doesn't mean anything in the NBA. Many of the Western Conference bigs can consistently shoot a 10-15 ft jumper, and will exploit the pick and roll to no end against Shaq.
Doesn't mean anything? Why else do you think Phoenix was willing to be the house?

 

[the dauqs]

Originally Posted by chikickz

The 7 second shot clock sells tickets. It doesn't win championships. It's that simple. No team can compete for a title if they cannot stop the other team.

Steve Kerr played with MJ. He played with Duncan. He played for Phil Jackson. He played for Greg Popovich. Sarver and minority owners knew this when they hired Steve Kerr. It should be no surprise that Kerr merely read out loud the writing on the wall. The Suns with Marion are a .500 team against their conference and a sub .500 team against WC playoff teams. Does it get any clearer than this?

exactly