So does Malcom X having homosexual relations change your view on him?

[frankie valentino]

Well damn, who knew "by any means" he meant anal.

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I stated that everyone in here was created by a man and a woman and you reply back saying that black weren't considered human beings at one point in time, truly pathetic on your end.  Even if you want to divert and go that route all black people were created by a man and a woman.  Now, YOU yourself were created by a man and a woman were you not??
  

You obviously have ZERO knowledge of this subject, so why are you still here? Do some research before pulling stuff out of your %%*. This "created by a man and woman" argument you're trying to make is one of the more idiotic ones you've attempted in the past few days.

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I stated that everyone in here was created by a man and a woman and you reply back saying that black weren't considered human beings at one point in time, truly pathetic on your end.  Even if you want to divert and go that route all black people were created by a man and a woman.  Now, YOU yourself were created by a man and a woman were you not??
  

You obviously have ZERO knowledge of this subject, so why are you still here? Do some research before pulling stuff out of your %%*. This "created by a man and woman" argument you're trying to make is one of the more idiotic ones you've attempted in the past few days.

 

[deuce king]

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I stated that everyone in here was created by a man and a woman and you reply back saying that black weren't considered human beings at one point in time, truly pathetic on your end.  Even if you want to divert and go that route all black people were created by a man and a woman.  Now, YOU yourself were created by a man and a woman were you not??
  

You obviously have ZERO knowledge of this subject, so why are you still here? Do some research before pulling stuff out of your %%*. This "created by a man and woman" argument you're trying to make is one of the more idiotic ones you've attempted in the past few days.

Yet another person that can't comprehend and has no real answer.  I'll ask YOU then, were you created by a man and a woman??  Is there anybody in here that wasn't created by a man and a woman??  
  

 

[deuce king]

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by Deuce King

I stated that everyone in here was created by a man and a woman and you reply back saying that black weren't considered human beings at one point in time, truly pathetic on your end.  Even if you want to divert and go that route all black people were created by a man and a woman.  Now, YOU yourself were created by a man and a woman were you not??
  

You obviously have ZERO knowledge of this subject, so why are you still here? Do some research before pulling stuff out of your %%*. This "created by a man and woman" argument you're trying to make is one of the more idiotic ones you've attempted in the past few days.

Yet another person that can't comprehend and has no real answer.  I'll ask YOU then, were you created by a man and a woman??  Is there anybody in here that wasn't created by a man and a woman??  
  

 

[proper english]

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 

 

[proper english]

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 

 

[wr]

Originally Posted by Frankie Valentino

Well damn, who knew "by any means" he meant anal.

 

[wr]

Originally Posted by Frankie Valentino

Well damn, who knew "by any means" he meant anal.

 

[deuce king]

See here's the problem with alot of the gay advocates in the world and even in this thread.  You all feel that anybody that doesn't agree with you 100%  is somehow against you, or somehow is homophobic.  Why can't it be that certain people just don't care for homosexuality, no hate or fear involved.......just not taking a liking towards it.  It also would be best if you dudes didn't resort to name calling or anything negative of the sort, it makes you dudes look very weak and unable to express yourself in a calm and mature manner.  If you dudes want people to hear you out so to speak on the cause you might also want to realize that people are going to respond back with their opinion on the matter as well.   

 

[deuce king]

See here's the problem with alot of the gay advocates in the world and even in this thread.  You all feel that anybody that doesn't agree with you 100%  is somehow against you, or somehow is homophobic.  Why can't it be that certain people just don't care for homosexuality, no hate or fear involved.......just not taking a liking towards it.  It also would be best if you dudes didn't resort to name calling or anything negative of the sort, it makes you dudes look very weak and unable to express yourself in a calm and mature manner.  If you dudes want people to hear you out so to speak on the cause you might also want to realize that people are going to respond back with their opinion on the matter as well.   

 

[wr]

[h1]Malcolm X's daughters unhappy with new book[/h1]

AP – Ilyasah Shabazz, right, and Malaak Shabazz, daughters of slain civil rights leader Malcolm X, are shown 

NEW YORK – Two of Malcolm X's daughters are unhappy that a new biography alleges their parents' marriage was strained and that their mother — and possibly their father — were unfaithful.

The marriage "was definitely faithful and devoted because my father was a man of impeccable integrity, and I think that most people, if they're not clear on anything, they're clear that he was moral and ethical and had impeccable character," Ilyasah Shabazz said Wednesday.

Ilyasah and Malaak Shabazz spoke to The Associated Press about "Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention." Author Manning Marable, a highly respected scholar who worked for more than 20 years on the book, died last week of complications of pneumonia just before publication. Malcolm X's daughters did not speak to Marable for the book, which draws upon thousands of interviews, government documents and private papers.

The book has been in the top 10 on Amazon.com's best-seller list, and the print run has been increased from 46,000 to 70,000, according to Viking, an imprint of Penguin Group (USA).

Viking spokeswoman Carolyn Coleburn said the publisher had no comment about the daughters' criticisms.

While both sisters acknowledged they have yet to read the book, they questioned reports about the contents. Marable had intended "Malcolm X" as a tribute to the slain activist's life and influence, but he also wanted to avoid portraying him as "a saint, without the normal contradictions and blemishes that all human beings have," as the historian wrote in the introduction.

Malcolm X was assassinated in 1965. His wife, Betty Shabazz, died in 1997 after one of her grandchildren set fire to her apartment.

The book alleges that parts of "The Autobiography of Malcolm X," a classic released after Malcolm X's death that sold more than 1 million copies, were inaccurate. For instance, Marable questions details of Malcolm X's early life as a criminal, writing that Malcolm likely exaggerated his wrongdoings. Questions about the autobiography's accuracy have been raised for decades, and Marable addresses questions about the book's co-writer, Alex Haley, who many believe left out or softened Malcolm's more radical political views in the last couple of years of his life.

He also looks into Malcolm X's more controversial words and actions, including a meeting with members of the Ku Klux Klan in the early 1960s. At the time, he was a high-ranking member of the Nation of Islam and had discussed with the Klan the possibility of the nation purchasing land for blacks to live on. Malcolm X would later express regret, although Marable still called the meeting "despicable."

Marable subtitled the book "A Life of Reinvention" in part because Malcolm X acknowledged mistakes and transformed and transcended himself, from street hustler and convict to black separatist of fierce anti-white opinions to political and social activist seeking to work with all races, worldwide. His marriage, however, was widely seen as steady, close and supportive, especially as dramatized by Denzel Washington and Angela Bassett in Spike Lee's movie "Malcolm X." Shabazz herself would remember her years with Malcolm as "hectic, beautiful and unforgettable — the greatest thing in my life."

Malcolm X married Betty Sanders, a nurse and fellow member of the Nation of Islam, in 1958. They had six children. According to the book, the marriage was often tense, in part because of Malcolm's wish to have a traditional, subservient Muslim wife and because he was away so often and his life was often threatened. There were problems of emotional and physical intimacy. Marable includes a letter from Malcolm to Nation of Islam leader Elijah Muhammad that offers a blunt account of their home life, with Malcolm reporting that his wife believed they were "incompatible sexually." Malcolm also tells Muhammad that Betty had threatened to "seek satisfaction elsewhere."

Marable writes that Betty became involved in 1964 with Charles Kenyatta, a close associate of Malcolm's. Malcolm, too, may have had affairs, although the evidence is uncertain. He knew of the relationship between his wife and Kenyatta, according to the book, and "the news of infidelity seems to have loosened Malcolm's own marital bonds."

Malaak Shabazz said there "may have been a little bit of stress, like any marriage," but that "there was really no times for shenanigans. She raised the children at home; he worked on a global level."

____

 

[wr]

[h1]Malcolm X's daughters unhappy with new book[/h1]

AP – Ilyasah Shabazz, right, and Malaak Shabazz, daughters of slain civil rights leader Malcolm X, are shown 

NEW YORK – Two of Malcolm X's daughters are unhappy that a new biography alleges their parents' marriage was strained and that their mother — and possibly their father — were unfaithful.

The marriage "was definitely faithful and devoted because my father was a man of impeccable integrity, and I think that most people, if they're not clear on anything, they're clear that he was moral and ethical and had impeccable character," Ilyasah Shabazz said Wednesday.

Ilyasah and Malaak Shabazz spoke to The Associated Press about "Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention." Author Manning Marable, a highly respected scholar who worked for more than 20 years on the book, died last week of complications of pneumonia just before publication. Malcolm X's daughters did not speak to Marable for the book, which draws upon thousands of interviews, government documents and private papers.

The book has been in the top 10 on Amazon.com's best-seller list, and the print run has been increased from 46,000 to 70,000, according to Viking, an imprint of Penguin Group (USA).

Viking spokeswoman Carolyn Coleburn said the publisher had no comment about the daughters' criticisms.

While both sisters acknowledged they have yet to read the book, they questioned reports about the contents. Marable had intended "Malcolm X" as a tribute to the slain activist's life and influence, but he also wanted to avoid portraying him as "a saint, without the normal contradictions and blemishes that all human beings have," as the historian wrote in the introduction.

Malcolm X was assassinated in 1965. His wife, Betty Shabazz, died in 1997 after one of her grandchildren set fire to her apartment.

The book alleges that parts of "The Autobiography of Malcolm X," a classic released after Malcolm X's death that sold more than 1 million copies, were inaccurate. For instance, Marable questions details of Malcolm X's early life as a criminal, writing that Malcolm likely exaggerated his wrongdoings. Questions about the autobiography's accuracy have been raised for decades, and Marable addresses questions about the book's co-writer, Alex Haley, who many believe left out or softened Malcolm's more radical political views in the last couple of years of his life.

He also looks into Malcolm X's more controversial words and actions, including a meeting with members of the Ku Klux Klan in the early 1960s. At the time, he was a high-ranking member of the Nation of Islam and had discussed with the Klan the possibility of the nation purchasing land for blacks to live on. Malcolm X would later express regret, although Marable still called the meeting "despicable."

Marable subtitled the book "A Life of Reinvention" in part because Malcolm X acknowledged mistakes and transformed and transcended himself, from street hustler and convict to black separatist of fierce anti-white opinions to political and social activist seeking to work with all races, worldwide. His marriage, however, was widely seen as steady, close and supportive, especially as dramatized by Denzel Washington and Angela Bassett in Spike Lee's movie "Malcolm X." Shabazz herself would remember her years with Malcolm as "hectic, beautiful and unforgettable — the greatest thing in my life."

Malcolm X married Betty Sanders, a nurse and fellow member of the Nation of Islam, in 1958. They had six children. According to the book, the marriage was often tense, in part because of Malcolm's wish to have a traditional, subservient Muslim wife and because he was away so often and his life was often threatened. There were problems of emotional and physical intimacy. Marable includes a letter from Malcolm to Nation of Islam leader Elijah Muhammad that offers a blunt account of their home life, with Malcolm reporting that his wife believed they were "incompatible sexually." Malcolm also tells Muhammad that Betty had threatened to "seek satisfaction elsewhere."

Marable writes that Betty became involved in 1964 with Charles Kenyatta, a close associate of Malcolm's. Malcolm, too, may have had affairs, although the evidence is uncertain. He knew of the relationship between his wife and Kenyatta, according to the book, and "the news of infidelity seems to have loosened Malcolm's own marital bonds."

Malaak Shabazz said there "may have been a little bit of stress, like any marriage," but that "there was really no times for shenanigans. She raised the children at home; he worked on a global level."

____

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by proper english

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 

srsly

That questions has NOTHING to do with this topic. FOH with this clutter.

Deuce King I'm about to go back into that Mr Cee thread and post some of the dumb #@#@ you've posted recently about your views on homosexuality so people can laugh at and then feel sorry for you.

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Why can't it be that certain people just don't care for homosexuality, no hate or fear involved.......just not taking a liking towards it.

Originally Posted by Deuce King

However, hip hop shouldn't be so "accepting" of homosexuality either.  Today, feminine behavior in males isn't really talked about or frowned upon, which is indeed a problem.

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Well you seem to correlate feminine behavior with homosexuality, which is why you posted in this thread. Is that fair?

That is the case from my standpoint.  Seriously, would it be a surprise to you or anybody else if lets say Kanye or Chris Brown said they were gay...........the signs are there for those two would you not agree to that??

"the signs are there" Like all homosexuals act feminine and *%@$

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by proper english

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 

srsly

That questions has NOTHING to do with this topic. FOH with this clutter.

Deuce King I'm about to go back into that Mr Cee thread and post some of the dumb #@#@ you've posted recently about your views on homosexuality so people can laugh at and then feel sorry for you.

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Why can't it be that certain people just don't care for homosexuality, no hate or fear involved.......just not taking a liking towards it.

Originally Posted by Deuce King

However, hip hop shouldn't be so "accepting" of homosexuality either.  Today, feminine behavior in males isn't really talked about or frowned upon, which is indeed a problem.

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Well you seem to correlate feminine behavior with homosexuality, which is why you posted in this thread. Is that fair?

That is the case from my standpoint.  Seriously, would it be a surprise to you or anybody else if lets say Kanye or Chris Brown said they were gay...........the signs are there for those two would you not agree to that??

"the signs are there" Like all homosexuals act feminine and *%@$

 

[deuce king]

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by proper english

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 

srsly

That questions has NOTHING to do with this topic. FOH with this clutter.

Deuce King I'm about to go back into that Mr Cee thread and post some of the dumb %+#% you've posted recently about your views on homosexuality so people can laugh at and then feel sorry for you.

Feel free champ, knock yourself out.  Before you run off and hide though can you at least answer my question??  

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 
It has to do with the statement that "homosexaulity is normal".  If it truly is "normal" they why is everyone in this thread created by a man and a woman?? 

 

[deuce king]

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by proper english

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 

srsly

That questions has NOTHING to do with this topic. FOH with this clutter.

Deuce King I'm about to go back into that Mr Cee thread and post some of the dumb %+#% you've posted recently about your views on homosexuality so people can laugh at and then feel sorry for you.

Feel free champ, knock yourself out.  Before you run off and hide though can you at least answer my question??  

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 
It has to do with the statement that "homosexaulity is normal".  If it truly is "normal" they why is everyone in this thread created by a man and a woman?? 

 

[wr]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by proper english

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 

srsly

That questions has NOTHING to do with this topic. FOH with this clutter.

Deuce King I'm about to go back into that Mr Cee thread and post some of the dumb %+#% you've posted recently about your views on homosexuality so people can laugh at and then feel sorry for you.

Feel free champ, knock yourself out.  Before you run off and hide though can you at least answer my question??  

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 

It has to do with the statement that "homosexaulity is normal".  If it truly is "normal" they why is everyone in this thread created by a man and a woman?? 
I feel you. Homosexuality is not normal. If it was, homosexual couple would be able to naturally produce offspring.
which they can't.

I think sometimes, people are forgetting what they are sacrificing just to come off as politically correct.  

 

[wr]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by proper english

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 

srsly

That questions has NOTHING to do with this topic. FOH with this clutter.

Deuce King I'm about to go back into that Mr Cee thread and post some of the dumb %+#% you've posted recently about your views on homosexuality so people can laugh at and then feel sorry for you.

Feel free champ, knock yourself out.  Before you run off and hide though can you at least answer my question??  

where exactly are you trying to go with that question? 

It has to do with the statement that "homosexaulity is normal".  If it truly is "normal" they why is everyone in this thread created by a man and a woman?? 
I feel you. Homosexuality is not normal. If it was, homosexual couple would be able to naturally produce offspring.
which they can't.

I think sometimes, people are forgetting what they are sacrificing just to come off as politically correct.  

 

[deuce king]

"the signs are there" Like all homosexuals act feminine and *%@$

Nice try champ, but I actually corrected myself in that very thread and stated my point of view more in depth later on. 

 

[deuce king]

"the signs are there" Like all homosexuals act feminine and *%@$

Nice try champ, but I actually corrected myself in that very thread and stated my point of view more in depth later on. 

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Feel free champ, knock yourself out.  Before you run off and hide though can you at least answer my question??  

Stupid questions don't deserve answers. Please do yourself a favor and read a book about genetics or biology or some kind of science, for that matter. And why are we even talking about "normal?" Like what is "normal" really? The argument is that homosexuality is NATURAL.

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by Deuce King

Feel free champ, knock yourself out.  Before you run off and hide though can you at least answer my question??  

Stupid questions don't deserve answers. Please do yourself a favor and read a book about genetics or biology or some kind of science, for that matter. And why are we even talking about "normal?" Like what is "normal" really? The argument is that homosexuality is NATURAL.

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by Wr

I feel you. Homosexuality is not normal. If it was, homosexual couple would be able to naturally produce offspring.
which they can't.

Your logic = fail

Answer me this, Wr: A 30-year-old can produce a child with a 13-year-old. Would you consider that normal?

 

[an dee 51o]

Originally Posted by Wr

I feel you. Homosexuality is not normal. If it was, homosexual couple would be able to naturally produce offspring.
which they can't.

Your logic = fail

Answer me this, Wr: A 30-year-old can produce a child with a 13-year-old. Would you consider that normal?