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Going back to what Durden said regarding the time waisted on isolation exercises, specifically trap work.  Here's a good article. 
by Chris Colucci T-Nation

Here's what you need to know...

• Spending excessive amounts of time and energy targeting the upper traps is like a beginner spending a lot of time on his soleus instead of squatting.

• Effective trap training is about respecting the way the muscle was built to function and training it accordingly.

• If you intentionally incorporate some "accidental" trap work in your training, then you won't need much direct trap work.

Shrugs are pretty much even with crunches as a way to look like you're doing work in the gym without getting much accomplished. Yet the shrug remains popular, which is odd because it just doesn't work very well for complete trap development.

Let's take a look at what the traps are really meant for and figure out a better way to train them.


Why Shrug? I Dunno.

Gym novices who are just learning how to operate a barbell will get a lot of trap stimulation from deadlift variations, rows and pulldowns, cleans, and overhead presses, assuming they do these exercises.

Even many smaller movements, like most dumbbell work for the shoulders or back, will activate the traps to some extent. Spending excessive amounts of time directly targeting the traps is like a beginner spending tons of time and energy targeting his soleus – it's just not necessary yet. And note that excessive is a key word here.

For most people with physique-based goals, there's generally no reason for direct trap work to be given more attention than, say, the forearms, in terms of training volume or frequency. Ending a workout with six sets each of two different shrug variations is unnecessary and inefficient.

Aesthetic-focused bodybuilders like Steve Reeves and Frank Zane actually avoided too much direct trap training because overdeveloped traps de-emphasize shoulder width. Not good.

Yet peek inside most gyms and you'll see skinny guys doing barbell shrugs and very skinny guys trying to figure out how to use the Hammer Strength shrug machine.

On rare occasions, you might catch a genuine monster doing double-bodyweight shrugs with more movement at the knee than at the shoulder. Good on him for doing something with a seriously heavy weight, but you have to wonder how much work the traps are actually doing during these weighted seizures. In truth, he probably built those big traps with other exercises.


Form and Function

When I say "traps" I really mean the upper portion of the trapezius muscle – the tiny part you're primarily working when you shrug.

Geographically-speaking, the "lower traps" are actually part of the upper and mid-back musculature. The trouble is, everyone seems to be stuck on only using shrugs when they want to work the traps, leaving a ton of potential resources untapped.

You need to give the lower traps plenty of attention. The lower traps are actually essential for joint health, strength and performance, posture, and overall appearance.

The trapezius is more than just a narrow slab of meat running from one shoulder to your neck and down to your other shoulder. The traps actually originate at the base of the skull, run down to the upper and mid-back area, and run width-wise covering both scapulas.

To get a clearer mental image, if the traps were on the front of your body, they'd start near your mouth, go down your neck and across your front delts, cover most of both pecs and some of your upper abs.

That's a lot of landscape covered by one muscle, but for some reason the majority of people only focus on the few inches of beef beside their neck. Probably because that's what pops out, or should pop out, when you do a most muscular pose in your bathroom mirror.

Unfortunately, training the traps with only shrugs makes as much sense as training your shoulders with only lateral raises. Nobody does that because it'll set you up for joint damage, limited strength gains, and incomplete muscle development. Same goes for the traps.

The trapezius not only functions to pull the scapula and shoulders upwards on command (like the good old shrug), but they also pull them backwards/together, as in the common deadlift cue to "open up your chest."

Remember when you were a little kid and your mother caught you slouching, so she poked her fingertips between your shoulder blades as a cue to straighten up? She was teaching you to contract your traps. Thanks, Mom.

Part of the confusion is that because the trapezius does cover so much muscular real estate that crosses over or involves several joints, there are different movement patterns/exercises that can be used to attack the muscle.

Emphasizing the lower traps rather than the upper isn't about working a fictional "muscle within a muscle" like the lower biceps or inner chest. It's about respecting the way the muscle was built to function and training it accordingly.


Real Trap Training

Training your traps only with shrugs is avoiding a primary function of the muscle.

But if you intentionally incorporate some "accidental" trap work in your training, then you won't need much direct trap work. Instead, maximize the attention you give them by choosing the right exercises at the right times.

Why are traps the only muscle where we seem to be just fine allowing crappy ROM reps in the stretched position? You certainly wouldn't grab an EZ curl bar, straighten your arms, and barely unlock them 10 times to get a good biceps workout. But for traps, we accept that super-heavy partials are the way to go, for every rep of every set. Weird.

Heavy partials do have a place. If I claimed they didn't, John Meadows would fry my tender bits in coconut oil. But with no other body part do we use heavy stretched-position mini-reps as the primary method of training.

The traps rarely get placed under direct, heavy load in daily life. You might deadlift the end of a couch, but it's not too often that you find yourself having to simulate a weighted shrug in normal everyday situations.

That could be one reason why the muscle seems to respond to the super-heavy, short ROM work. It's a unique stress that the muscle is unaccustomed to, and unfamiliar stresses are often a key to triggering new muscle growth.

The scapula-thoracic joint wants to be stable, so training it for that purpose is the best way to achieve joint health and strength, which is often the foundation of size training.

One of the best ways to achieve that level of stability is to work the lower traps with paused reps, longer contractions, or a general increase in time under tension. Basic muscle activation work is always a good call, too. For the next few weeks, start each back and shoulder workout with face pulls for 2-3 x 8-10.

To really get the most out of the face pulls, have the cable set at eye-level or a bit higher so the movement is slightly downwards to further minimize upper trap involvement.

Also, exaggerate the movement of the scapulas and hold the peak contraction for 3-5 seconds. This makes it especially effective in drilling that static strength, endurance, and stability.

Using face pulls to activate the traps before bigger work will go a long way to improving their performance. Once that's taken care of, take a look at the rest of your training, especially your back workouts, to look for ways to increase that "accidental" trap training.


Best Exercises for Traps

Here are some effective exercises that can be incorporated into your current routine. These will increase your weekly trap work without requiring a total program overhaul.

Since people usually hit traps on the same day as back or shoulders, plugging in one or more of these moves instead of their usual "trap workout" will be a good exercise in training efficiency.

Face Pull With Pause: Holding the peak contraction will "teach" the low and mid-trap fibers to stabilize the scapula. This works well as an activation drill, especially before any session that includes rows. If you can go heavier and still hold a brief pause at the peak, consider it a solid alternative to other rowing.

Power Clean From Hang: By working from the hang, the legs are taken slightly out of the movement and the upper body work is emphasized a bit more. The traps work to explode the weight up and then they fire again to complete the catch. There's a reason cleans have been all-around badass-builders for decades.

Snatch-Grip High Pull: The SGHP has explosiveness, lots of muscular involvement, and the ability to move big weights. The upright row used to be considered one of the best trap exercises (shoulder injuries aside), but think of the SGHP as an upright row that's been improved in every way possible.

Wide-Grip Deadlift: Not quite a snatch-grip, but wider than your usual grip. Stance doesn't matter as much as nudging the grip out wider to increase the upper back work without significantly changing the rest of the movement.

Kroc Rows: Remember that a key to Kroc rows is using a crazy-heavy weight for a bunch of reps. Every time someone does "Kroc rows" for a set of 8-10 with 30 or 40 pounds, a kitten loses a leg.

Krok Row

Neutral-Grip Shrug (dumbbells, trap bar, or Dead-Squat[emoji]8482[/emoji] Bar): Puts you in a more natural body position compared to a straight barbell, giving a more direct line of pull and more efficient application of force. If you're going to shrug, go with the neutral grip.


Effective Training vs. Habitual Training

We need to directly train each muscle that we want to improve, but we always need to be training them correctly, in proportion, and in the most efficient, effective way possible.

Re-examine your routine and your physique. Make some of these changes to be sure you're training the right muscles in the right way, instead of sticking with the same old methods out of habit.
 
Been on this diet from CUTZ Fitness for a little over 2 weeks now, started at 147, down to 139, belly fat going away and my arms and the rest of my body getting stronger/bigger :pimp:

on a side note, what BCAA powders are you guys using/recommend?
 
Going back to what Durden said regarding the time waisted on isolation exercises, specifically trap work.  Here's a good article. 
by Chris Colucci T-Nation

Here's what you need to know...

• Spending excessive amounts of time and energy targeting the upper traps is like a beginner spending a lot of time on his soleus instead of squatting.

• Effective trap training is about respecting the way the muscle was built to function and training it accordingly.

• If you intentionally incorporate some "accidental" trap work in your training, then you won't need much direct trap work.

Shrugs are pretty much even with crunches as a way to look like you're doing work in the gym without getting much accomplished. Yet the shrug remains popular, which is odd because it just doesn't work very well for complete trap development.

Let's take a look at what the traps are really meant for and figure out a better way to train them.


Why Shrug? I Dunno.

Gym novices who are just learning how to operate a barbell will get a lot of trap stimulation from deadlift variations, rows and pulldowns, cleans, and overhead presses, assuming they do these exercises.

Even many smaller movements, like most dumbbell work for the shoulders or back, will activate the traps to some extent. Spending excessive amounts of time directly targeting the traps is like a beginner spending tons of time and energy targeting his soleus – it's just not necessary yet. And note that excessive is a key word here.

For most people with physique-based goals, there's generally no reason for direct trap work to be given more attention than, say, the forearms, in terms of training volume or frequency. Ending a workout with six sets each of two different shrug variations is unnecessary and inefficient.

Aesthetic-focused bodybuilders like Steve Reeves and Frank Zane actually avoided too much direct trap training because overdeveloped traps de-emphasize shoulder width. Not good.

Yet peek inside most gyms and you'll see skinny guys doing barbell shrugs and very skinny guys trying to figure out how to use the Hammer Strength shrug machine.

On rare occasions, you might catch a genuine monster doing double-bodyweight shrugs with more movement at the knee than at the shoulder. Good on him for doing something with a seriously heavy weight, but you have to wonder how much work the traps are actually doing during these weighted seizures. In truth, he probably built those big traps with other exercises.


Form and Function

When I say "traps" I really mean the upper portion of the trapezius muscle – the tiny part you're primarily working when you shrug.

Geographically-speaking, the "lower traps" are actually part of the upper and mid-back musculature. The trouble is, everyone seems to be stuck on only using shrugs when they want to work the traps, leaving a ton of potential resources untapped.

You need to give the lower traps plenty of attention. The lower traps are actually essential for joint health, strength and performance, posture, and overall appearance.

The trapezius is more than just a narrow slab of meat running from one shoulder to your neck and down to your other shoulder. The traps actually originate at the base of the skull, run down to the upper and mid-back area, and run width-wise covering both scapulas.

To get a clearer mental image, if the traps were on the front of your body, they'd start near your mouth, go down your neck and across your front delts, cover most of both pecs and some of your upper abs.

That's a lot of landscape covered by one muscle, but for some reason the majority of people only focus on the few inches of beef beside their neck. Probably because that's what pops out, or should pop out, when you do a most muscular pose in your bathroom mirror.

Unfortunately, training the traps with only shrugs makes as much sense as training your shoulders with only lateral raises. Nobody does that because it'll set you up for joint damage, limited strength gains, and incomplete muscle development. Same goes for the traps.

The trapezius not only functions to pull the scapula and shoulders upwards on command (like the good old shrug), but they also pull them backwards/together, as in the common deadlift cue to "open up your chest."

Remember when you were a little kid and your mother caught you slouching, so she poked her fingertips between your shoulder blades as a cue to straighten up? She was teaching you to contract your traps. Thanks, Mom.

Part of the confusion is that because the trapezius does cover so much muscular real estate that crosses over or involves several joints, there are different movement patterns/exercises that can be used to attack the muscle.

Emphasizing the lower traps rather than the upper isn't about working a fictional "muscle within a muscle" like the lower biceps or inner chest. It's about respecting the way the muscle was built to function and training it accordingly.


Real Trap Training

Training your traps only with shrugs is avoiding a primary function of the muscle.

But if you intentionally incorporate some "accidental" trap work in your training, then you won't need much direct trap work. Instead, maximize the attention you give them by choosing the right exercises at the right times.

Why are traps the only muscle where we seem to be just fine allowing crappy ROM reps in the stretched position? You certainly wouldn't grab an EZ curl bar, straighten your arms, and barely unlock them 10 times to get a good biceps workout. But for traps, we accept that super-heavy partials are the way to go, for every rep of every set. Weird.

Heavy partials do have a place. If I claimed they didn't, John Meadows would fry my tender bits in coconut oil. But with no other body part do we use heavy stretched-position mini-reps as the primary method of training.

The traps rarely get placed under direct, heavy load in daily life. You might deadlift the end of a couch, but it's not too often that you find yourself having to simulate a weighted shrug in normal everyday situations.

That could be one reason why the muscle seems to respond to the super-heavy, short ROM work. It's a unique stress that the muscle is unaccustomed to, and unfamiliar stresses are often a key to triggering new muscle growth.

The scapula-thoracic joint wants to be stable, so training it for that purpose is the best way to achieve joint health and strength, which is often the foundation of size training.

One of the best ways to achieve that level of stability is to work the lower traps with paused reps, longer contractions, or a general increase in time under tension. Basic muscle activation work is always a good call, too. For the next few weeks, start each back and shoulder workout with face pulls for 2-3 x 8-10.

To really get the most out of the face pulls, have the cable set at eye-level or a bit higher so the movement is slightly downwards to further minimize upper trap involvement.

Also, exaggerate the movement of the scapulas and hold the peak contraction for 3-5 seconds. This makes it especially effective in drilling that static strength, endurance, and stability.

Using face pulls to activate the traps before bigger work will go a long way to improving their performance. Once that's taken care of, take a look at the rest of your training, especially your back workouts, to look for ways to increase that "accidental" trap training.


Best Exercises for Traps

Here are some effective exercises that can be incorporated into your current routine. These will increase your weekly trap work without requiring a total program overhaul.

Since people usually hit traps on the same day as back or shoulders, plugging in one or more of these moves instead of their usual "trap workout" will be a good exercise in training efficiency.

Face Pull With Pause: Holding the peak contraction will "teach" the low and mid-trap fibers to stabilize the scapula. This works well as an activation drill, especially before any session that includes rows. If you can go heavier and still hold a brief pause at the peak, consider it a solid alternative to other rowing.

Power Clean From Hang: By working from the hang, the legs are taken slightly out of the movement and the upper body work is emphasized a bit more. The traps work to explode the weight up and then they fire again to complete the catch. There's a reason cleans have been all-around badass-builders for decades.

Snatch-Grip High Pull: The SGHP has explosiveness, lots of muscular involvement, and the ability to move big weights. The upright row used to be considered one of the best trap exercises (shoulder injuries aside), but think of the SGHP as an upright row that's been improved in every way possible.

Wide-Grip Deadlift: Not quite a snatch-grip, but wider than your usual grip. Stance doesn't matter as much as nudging the grip out wider to increase the upper back work without significantly changing the rest of the movement.

Kroc Rows: Remember that a key to Kroc rows is using a crazy-heavy weight for a bunch of reps. Every time someone does "Kroc rows" for a set of 8-10 with 30 or 40 pounds, a kitten loses a leg.

Krok Row

Neutral-Grip Shrug (dumbbells, trap bar, or Dead-Squat[emoji]8482[/emoji] Bar): Puts you in a more natural body position compared to a straight barbell, giving a more direct line of pull and more efficient application of force. If you're going to shrug, go with the neutral grip.


Effective Training vs. Habitual Training

We need to directly train each muscle that we want to improve, but we always need to be training them correctly, in proportion, and in the most efficient, effective way possible.

Re-examine your routine and your physique. Make some of these changes to be sure you're training the right muscles in the right way, instead of sticking with the same old methods out of habit.
good read. i was one of the ones who saw isolation exercises as a good thing so i wanted to speak on this 

while im not arguing the growing of msucles through compound exercises, i was always taught to believe that the body, for the most part, has to grow in unison. you cant just work out chest and expect to get bigger, or even to get a bigger chest for that matter. by working out all muscles groups, your body grows together 

so lets say you do legs - squats, dl, leg extensions, etc. while the calf muscle does get worked, it nots one of the primary msucles used. so wouldnt it be a good idea to throw in some calf excercises?

im not saying i know anything, this is just what i always believed and the reason for doing curls and whatnot 
 
Any recommendations on where to pick up some whey and creatine mono? I remember when ON gold was $25 for 5lbs :smh:


Been on this diet from CUTZ Fitness for a little over 2 weeks now, started at 147, down to 139, belly fat going away and my arms and the rest of my body getting stronger/bigger :pimp:

on a side note, what BCAA powders are you guys using/recommend?

Bro, are you 4'10"?
 
Any recommendations on where to pick up some whey and creatine mono? I remember when ON gold was $25 for 5lbs :smh:
Bro, are you 4'10"?

5'9, but believe me i dont look 140, i look bigger than that :lol:

shamless plug, @thekidfresco is my IG name :lol:
 
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good read. i was one of the ones who saw isolation exercises as a good thing so i wanted to speak on this 

while im not arguing the growing of msucles through compound exercises, i was always taught to believe that the body, for the most part, has to grow in unison. you cant just work out chest and expect to get bigger, or even to get a bigger chest for that matter. by working out all muscles groups, your body grows together 

so lets say you do legs - squats, dl, leg extensions, etc. while the calf muscle does get worked, it nots one of the primary msucles used. so wouldnt it be a good idea to throw in some calf excercises?

im not saying i know anything, this is just what i always believed and the reason for doing curls and whatnot 

With those compound exercises listed as well as others, the calves are getting plenty of work and developing strength. If you feel you need bigger calves then adding in some extra isolation sets is fine IMO. But doing them to solely "balance out" your muscle activation is unnecessary.
 
Thinking about going to a push pull legs routine after listening to that white boy dunker posted a page or 2 back.
 
Been on this diet from CUTZ Fitness for a little over 2 weeks now, started at 147, down to 139, belly fat going away and my arms and the rest of my body getting stronger/bigger :pimp:

on a side note, what BCAA powders are you guys using/recommend?

I use ON BCAA capsules. 2 post workout. Easy.

What Push/Pull/Leg splits are you guys doing. Thinking about doing it the next six weeks on my bb days.
 
i went out of town two weeks ago trained really hard was feeling good eating right. i was only taking whey and beast creatine. whey before working out one scoop. after working out beast creatine (one serving) followed by 15mins later whey (two scoops). 

i ran out of beast creatine right before i left. i came back and my body has never been so fatigued. i haven't bought more creatine (too expensive, i don't have money for it). I have continued going to the gym without taking creatine but my body is constantly fatigued. i've been drinking 3/4 to a gallon of water a day. 

ive been taking beast since late feb. am i having creatine withdraws? i've never had this problem with any other creatine. 

any suggestions? 

i don't have medical insurance btw...

pretty sure its all mental

creatine doesnt have that affect and if it did, it wouldnt be that quick.

and creatine is not expensive, a very good monohhydrate can cost you $20-25 and last you a year.
 
should i cut out all fats from my diet???

im a really active person, and dont have killer abdominals

i dont want to be dumb aesthetic, but i at least want runway/photoshoot abs man

if you want abs, cut calories and eat better.

eliminating all fats/carbs is stupid IMO
 
should i cut out all fats from my diet???

im a really active person, and dont have killer abdominals

i dont want to be dumb aesthetic, but i at least want runway/photoshoot abs man
if you want abs, cut calories and eat better.

eliminating all fats/carbs is stupid IMO
that teenage girl diet 
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i went out of town two weeks ago trained really hard was feeling good eating right. i was only taking whey and beast creatine. whey before working out one scoop. after working out beast creatine (one serving) followed by 15mins later whey (two scoops). 

i ran out of beast creatine right before i left. i came back and my body has never been so fatigued. i haven't bought more creatine (too expensive, i don't have money for it). I have continued going to the gym without taking creatine but my body is constantly fatigued. i've been drinking 3/4 to a gallon of water a day. 

ive been taking beast since late feb. am i having creatine withdraws? i've never had this problem with any other creatine. 

any suggestions? 

i don't have medical insurance btw...

Sounds like you may have been training pretty hard for a while and if tried to keep goin hard at the same weight after droppin off the creatine your body might have been overworked. I'd say try takin a week off from all physical activity other than maybe goin on a few walks or playin frisbee in the park or somethin. Less can often be more (unless you're an elite level bodybuilder) and sometimes our bodies are just tryin to tell us they need some time to chill. You won't lose your gains so don't worry
 
^ Take a de-load week.

Any of you guys have a stretching routine? I'm trying to get more flexible, I feel really stiff sometimes....pause
 
gracias

would it be easier if i didnt hoop or hit the field everyday?

ive consulted some athletes and those guys have no real nutrition plan, they eat well, but they will also pig out at taco bell 6 out of 7 days of the week and still have Westbrook-type physiques

is there any hope?
That is mostly due to genetics and their high activity level.  Most "elite" athletes have great genetics and eating taco bell or other fast food often won't really hinder their physique.  Also they more than likely participate in a well constructed strength and conditioning program which helps.  Some people can eat whatever and still have a favorable physique and some have to bust their a** everyday in the gym and in the kitchen.  But with your concern on fats, they are very important when it comes to your overall health and building muscle, healthy fats though. 
i understand pros and D1 guys is all about genetics

Rose and Kobe had some of the worse pre-game rituals regarding nutrition

i guess i was asking, should i not worry about nutrition, im no athlete, but im active, and can take it overboard sometimes, i find myself only playing 2-3 pickup games or only running 20 routes because i feel any more would be detrimental to my muscles, but im fully capable of playing 10+ pickup games and run routes for 1.5 hours

the athletic dudes i know do much more than that and they have legit bodies (no romo) honestly some dudes who are supreme bench riders at the local cc have awesome physiques and i could totally play cc/d3 ball but alas, still no legit 6 pack
 
Scooby's final video. End of an era.
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scooby1961 4 hours ago

Some unfortunate events which resulted from my 4chan doxing require that I maintain a much lower public profile for the safety of my family. The only way to communicate with me in the future will be thru my new website, all social media will be turned off ... and unfortunately that includes the AskScooby forum :frown:

 
 
That looks pretty solid, me personally, i'm following Ogus' PPL
I dont follow it to the t but I think I will make some nice strength gains from it. I'll have to check his out even though he is a douche.

I just finished my first push day and I like it. I will have to switch incline barbell to dumbell though because of shoulder issues. 
 
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