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Originally Posted by THE GR8
^^if you read the rest of my post, i acknowleged that he won that ring. But the Knicks were also without Ewing in that finals series. And Tim duncan was the centerpiece of that team.
But what i meant by 90s is that when Pat and Dave were both leading their respective teams in both their primes, Pat was the one who was leading the elite team. Yar in and out he was battiling in grueling 7 game series by one of the GOAT teams of all team in the Bulls who also had the GOAT on their team. The Bulls never won easy in NY. And when MJ was out Pat led us to the finals and yes he fell up short but to another great center in 7 games. When Robinson was leading the Spurs in the 90s, he might have put up stats, but where were they in June? Even in the west, the Spurs never went anywhere... Fact is when they were both leading teams, Ewing's team was elite, and the Spurs were not. Pat was better in their primes. Robinson has a ring, but so what he did not lead that team, that is like saying that Zo is the best center of all time because he has a ring in one of his last years on a team led by D Wade and Shaq. I mean the Admiral had a larger role with the 99 Spurs, but in the 90s when he was in his prime he couldnt get his team anywhere. Pat made the Knicks elite.
Pat>>>>>Admiral
lest we forget, playoffs has no say in voting for season mvp.Originally Posted by Enlightened Thought
Why Kidd deserved it more:
[color= rgb(0, 0, 0)]He took the cellar dweller of the East and took them from worst to first[/color] and all the way to the NBA Finals that year. Duncan on the other hand, dropped from 1st in the West to 3rd (don't let the seedings fool you) and was eliminated from the playoffs in the 2nd round in 5 games to the Lakers.
and... BullsRepeat3peat, what's so funny?
never mind I think I misunderstood what you originally said...... But IMO Pat was just as good as Robinson skill wise, though maybe not as athletic..... and Iagree Hakeem was the best center in the 90s and dominated, but that's not taking anything away from Ewing or Robinson.... Hakeem is probably the mostskilled center to ever play.. but if not for John Starks streaky shooting in the '94 Finals I think the Knicks would have won the championship....that wasStarks biggest weakness, when he was hot, he was hot.... but otherwise dude could shoot himself right out of a game....
Originally Posted by indohan
Originally Posted by THE GR8
^^if you read the rest of my post, i acknowleged that he won that ring. But the Knicks were also without Ewing in that finals series. And Tim duncan was the centerpiece of that team.
But what i meant by 90s is that when Pat and Dave were both leading their respective teams in both their primes, Pat was the one who was leading the elite team. Yar in and out he was battiling in grueling 7 game series by one of the GOAT teams of all team in the Bulls who also had the GOAT on their team. The Bulls never won easy in NY. And when MJ was out Pat led us to the finals and yes he fell up short but to another great center in 7 games. When Robinson was leading the Spurs in the 90s, he might have put up stats, but where were they in June? Even in the west, the Spurs never went anywhere... Fact is when they were both leading teams, Ewing's team was elite, and the Spurs were not. Pat was better in their primes. Robinson has a ring, but so what he did not lead that team, that is like saying that Zo is the best center of all time because he has a ring in one of his last years on a team led by D Wade and Shaq. I mean the Admiral had a larger role with the 99 Spurs, but in the 90s when he was in his prime he couldnt get his team anywhere. Pat made the Knicks elite.
Pat>>>>>Admiral
Dude, seriously. How much do you know about the 90s? According to your profile, you were born in the 90s.
You were not even 10 years old when David won his first ring..Nuff said.
I don't mean to mock or anything like that by using your age.
Do your research: Wikipedia is your friend, not Chickipedia. He and TD brought the team.
and... BullsRepeat3peat, what's so funny?
Originally Posted by THE GR8
Originally Posted by indohan
Originally Posted by THE GR8
^^if you read the rest of my post, i acknowleged that he won that ring. But the Knicks were also without Ewing in that finals series. And Tim duncan was the centerpiece of that team.
But what i meant by 90s is that when Pat and Dave were both leading their respective teams in both their primes, Pat was the one who was leading the elite team. Yar in and out he was battiling in grueling 7 game series by one of the GOAT teams of all team in the Bulls who also had the GOAT on their team. The Bulls never won easy in NY. And when MJ was out Pat led us to the finals and yes he fell up short but to another great center in 7 games. When Robinson was leading the Spurs in the 90s, he might have put up stats, but where were they in June? Even in the west, the Spurs never went anywhere... Fact is when they were both leading teams, Ewing's team was elite, and the Spurs were not. Pat was better in their primes. Robinson has a ring, but so what he did not lead that team, that is like saying that Zo is the best center of all time because he has a ring in one of his last years on a team led by D Wade and Shaq. I mean the Admiral had a larger role with the 99 Spurs, but in the 90s when he was in his prime he couldnt get his team anywhere. Pat made the Knicks elite.
Pat>>>>>Admiral
Dude, seriously. How much do you know about the 90s? According to your profile, you were born in the 90s.
You were not even 10 years old when David won his first ring..Nuff said.
I don't mean to mock or anything like that by using your age.
Do your research: Wikipedia is your friend, not Chickipedia. He and TD brought the team.
and... BullsRepeat3peat, what's so funny?
Man you honestly dont think that i know the facts?
First of all as my man said earlier Pat always played with inferior talent, but he was still always in the picture in the 90s. How can you blame Pat for not beating MJ? Nobody beat MJ, but than again nobody came as close as Pat did. They were getting in these 7 game series all the time. And for ANYBODY who says when it mattered Pat came up short you get the big...Anybody who says that is basing his !%$% off of Pat never getting a ring more than actually watching his performances. Pat always was at his best when his team needed him to be the most. I mean come on look at the OJ Simpson game where Pat dominated in a huge game for the nicks. Look up the stats, some of Pats all time best gams came around when it mattered and he was going head to head vs Hakeem Olajuwon in 94, and he fell short cause Staks had an off night. On the other hand, where was The Admiral in the 90s when it mattered. Oh yeah thats right he was getting $*##+%* around by Hakeem Olajuwon, never stepping up and even really challenging them. I wont argue that Pat is not as good as Hakeem, cause when they went head to head it was Hakeem who took the ring home. They both battled, but one man has to lose and unfourtunately it was Pat. But on the other hand i will argue all da that Pat was better than David, David was nowhere to be foun late in the playoffs in the 90s, where Pat's Knicks were elite year in and year out. And he got a ring, so what? I mean he obviously wasnt that important to the team, considering they still got like 3 after he left. Fact is that was Tim Duncan's team and the Knicks were also missing their star center and leader during that series. I dont want to take anything away from the Admiral but take out Duncan, the Spurs were nothing special. And dont try and diss my knowledge i #$+*#++ lived on that Knicks playoff run in 99, i guarentee you that i knew just as much or more about that series i dont give a +%$* how old you were. Pat always stepped up and Pat was a warrior, WHENEVER the Knicks needed a big performance, they got it. That Bulls team was always FAR more talented than the Knicks. I mean along with the GOAT, there wasnt another Knick on those teams as good as Pippen (who Pat beat when there was no MJ) and not to mention guys like Rodman, Kukoc, Bill Cartwright early on, etc. But still Pat was always stepping up and taking his out matched Knicks team t have battles of historic proportions vs the Bulls. Pat never won a ring but he ALWAYS stepped up IMO.
and once again, Pat>>>>Admiral
Athletically, sure. The team and him as a complete player? yeah right
Jordan's individual prime was anywhere from 87-93........ Pick your choice..... personally I think it was 92 or 93.... Can't decide between the two
MJ was at his peak during those years.
Athletically, sure. The team and him as a complete player? yeah right
And Tim Duncan brought SA championships. He was the 2nd option on the first team and a role player on the 2nd.
I'm not saying Pat is better, but he is every bit as equal
Athletically, sure. The team and him as a complete player? yeah right
Originally Posted by THE GR8
Pippen (who Pat beat when there was no MJ)
Athletically, sure. The team and him as a complete player? yeah right
Originally Posted by THE GR8
Athletically, sure. The team and him as a complete player? yeah right
And Tim Duncan brought SA championships. He was the 2nd option on the first team and a role player on the 2nd.
I'm not saying Pat is better, but he is every bit as equal
And Tim Duncan brought SA championships. He was the 2nd option on the first team and a role player on the 2nd.
THE GR8, You seriously think you really understand what was going on? TD was a rookie. He was the 2nd option for the first team, ask allen3xis whowas the first option?
You seriously think that a person who was the first center option for the team, did not play a big part for the championship?
You still believe what you said, "David Obviously is not that important to the team", is correct?
If you seriously thought that TD gave David the rings, I guess one of TD's rings was given by Tony Parker.
BS? That's what you were saying.
Seriously, I'm too tired to argue with you. I salute your NY pride. If you think that Patrick Ewing is the best center that ever lived, go on with it!I'll just
Ok! We have a winner! Patrick Ewing is the best center of all time..
Originally Posted by allen3xis
Uhmm, first of you quoted me
and that wasn't Duncan's rookie year.....
and Duncan was clearly the first option, and that was his team.
He put up 22 and 11
Robinson 16 and 10
not even about the stats though...It was Duncan's team, clearly