The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap

[big j 33]

The thing many don't seem to grasp, siding with the players and believing the owners are being unfair does not mean you support every single action taken by the Union. It also don't automatically suggest that I want the players to turn down every offer. I personally believe at some point, Stern will back up his threat, and other than changing a few system issues, I don't think this deal gets any better for the players.

The owners should give the players a few system issues and that's as good as it gets for the union so you take the deal.

 

[aepps20]

Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539

Originally Posted by Big J 33

And the league is keeping up the charade of "competitive balance" to take more money and system benefits for their side even after they have more than made up for their losses each season.

Can't have it both ways. If you want a league to get high ratings, then you need the Heat and Big 3, the Lakers v. Celtics, the 90s Bulls, etc. If you want "competitive balance" then be prepared to deal with low ratings when it's Spurs v. Nets or Spurs v. Pistons.

This ain't the 90's anymore dawg.  Fans like myself don't take our hometown heroes leaving the hometown team with any sort of dignity or self respect.   I trolled NT for months claiming I had "inside information" on where LeBron would go, but I guess my cousin's, brother's, sister's, wife isn't a reliable source.  

Dan Gilbert for building a casino in Cleveland and offering 0%, no money down mortgages to potential home buyers over the Internet.

Well Said!

 

[aepps20]

Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539

Originally Posted by Big J 33

And the league is keeping up the charade of "competitive balance" to take more money and system benefits for their side even after they have more than made up for their losses each season.

Can't have it both ways. If you want a league to get high ratings, then you need the Heat and Big 3, the Lakers v. Celtics, the 90s Bulls, etc. If you want "competitive balance" then be prepared to deal with low ratings when it's Spurs v. Nets or Spurs v. Pistons.

This ain't the 90's anymore dawg.  Fans like myself don't take our hometown heroes leaving the hometown team with any sort of dignity or self respect.   I trolled NT for months claiming I had "inside information" on where LeBron would go, but I guess my cousin's, brother's, sister's, wife isn't a reliable source.  

Dan Gilbert for building a casino in Cleveland and offering 0%, no money down mortgages to potential home buyers over the Internet.

Well Said!

 

[Animal Thug]

But what fun is it for a fan who's team isn't in the finals to watch the same team every year? The 80's and 90's were being dominated by THREE main players. THREE. We pretty much know who they are. All three of those players were drafted by their teams, right? Stayed on those teams, right? Gave everything they had for those teams, rightfully so - and dominated. 
You had a player like Stat - who pretty much played for a Phoenix team who was literally 2 games away from making the Finals for only their second time in history. THEY HAD A SOLID TEAM!!!! 
Hmm....who gladly left that competitive team for a team who hadn't made the playoffs in 8 years....Amare? Right. This bum literally walked away from a team that was pretty much established to potentially do damage in the West, along with Nash, Hill, Richardson, Turiaf, Barbosa, Frye - to join a Knicks team that hadn't did %!*% in 8 years. What did that Knicks team do? Traded away half their team for 1 player - who we all laughed at. This dude Amare went to NY just because he was attracted to the lights, fame, inferior love...because if he really wanted that championship - he knew where his best chances were to get it..and what player did anything remotely close to what Amare did in the 80's, 90's? C'mon now. Be logical.

My point is this. Clearly, these NBA players aren't in it for the purpose of playing this game. It's a fabricated league, dictated by the players. They're all in it to show off their newest tattoo in the brightest of lights. Don't get me wrong - that's something that comes with the territory - but that territory isn't for sale. 

You see, a player like Tim Duncan never gets the credit he deserved. If I tell you he won 4 ships with the team he stayed with, you would be like 'he did, huh?' - you're never going to see that kind of player in this league again if the same rules were currently implied today. No social media, ESPN-interview seeking, tattoo'd up player. A pure player, about the game, the prize, the pureness of the NBA - that man Duncan is what this league needed to prove an example.

Yeah I'm angry. Yeah, because these players caused this lockout. After a 50/50 offer given, they still rejected. Now it's getting worst, and who's to blame? That's right. The same side you guys are rooting for.

Give it up. This is a business. An employer. Like, I pay you - you do what I say.......sound familiar? Yeah.....that's because you're in a business that's paying you.

 

[Animal Thug]

But what fun is it for a fan who's team isn't in the finals to watch the same team every year? The 80's and 90's were being dominated by THREE main players. THREE. We pretty much know who they are. All three of those players were drafted by their teams, right? Stayed on those teams, right? Gave everything they had for those teams, rightfully so - and dominated. 
You had a player like Stat - who pretty much played for a Phoenix team who was literally 2 games away from making the Finals for only their second time in history. THEY HAD A SOLID TEAM!!!! 
Hmm....who gladly left that competitive team for a team who hadn't made the playoffs in 8 years....Amare? Right. This bum literally walked away from a team that was pretty much established to potentially do damage in the West, along with Nash, Hill, Richardson, Turiaf, Barbosa, Frye - to join a Knicks team that hadn't did %!*% in 8 years. What did that Knicks team do? Traded away half their team for 1 player - who we all laughed at. This dude Amare went to NY just because he was attracted to the lights, fame, inferior love...because if he really wanted that championship - he knew where his best chances were to get it..and what player did anything remotely close to what Amare did in the 80's, 90's? C'mon now. Be logical.

My point is this. Clearly, these NBA players aren't in it for the purpose of playing this game. It's a fabricated league, dictated by the players. They're all in it to show off their newest tattoo in the brightest of lights. Don't get me wrong - that's something that comes with the territory - but that territory isn't for sale. 

You see, a player like Tim Duncan never gets the credit he deserved. If I tell you he won 4 ships with the team he stayed with, you would be like 'he did, huh?' - you're never going to see that kind of player in this league again if the same rules were currently implied today. No social media, ESPN-interview seeking, tattoo'd up player. A pure player, about the game, the prize, the pureness of the NBA - that man Duncan is what this league needed to prove an example.

Yeah I'm angry. Yeah, because these players caused this lockout. After a 50/50 offer given, they still rejected. Now it's getting worst, and who's to blame? That's right. The same side you guys are rooting for.

Give it up. This is a business. An employer. Like, I pay you - you do what I say.......sound familiar? Yeah.....that's because you're in a business that's paying you.

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

The thing many don't seem to grasp, siding with the players and believing the owners are being unfair does not mean you support every single action taken by the Union. It also don't automatically suggest that I want the players to turn down every offer. I personally believe at some point, Stern will back up his threat, and other than changing a few system issues, I don't think this deal gets any better for the players.

The owners should give the players a few system issues and that's as good as it gets for the union so you take the deal.

Fully agree. And the scary thing is, I also think this is the best offer the NBPA will get, and it isn't looking too good right now from the looks of people like Danny Granger.

I doubt the owners give up any more concessions. I feel like this offer is as good as the players will get before...

A) The owners go ahead and say screw it, we're hardening our stance by weakening our offer,
B) Players decertify.
C) Cancellation of season.

I hope I'm wrong. I thought for damn sure we'd have a deal done this weekend. There's still a chance this next week, but it's looking bleak.

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

The thing many don't seem to grasp, siding with the players and believing the owners are being unfair does not mean you support every single action taken by the Union. It also don't automatically suggest that I want the players to turn down every offer. I personally believe at some point, Stern will back up his threat, and other than changing a few system issues, I don't think this deal gets any better for the players.

The owners should give the players a few system issues and that's as good as it gets for the union so you take the deal.

Fully agree. And the scary thing is, I also think this is the best offer the NBPA will get, and it isn't looking too good right now from the looks of people like Danny Granger.

I doubt the owners give up any more concessions. I feel like this offer is as good as the players will get before...

A) The owners go ahead and say screw it, we're hardening our stance by weakening our offer,
B) Players decertify.
C) Cancellation of season.

I hope I'm wrong. I thought for damn sure we'd have a deal done this weekend. There's still a chance this next week, but it's looking bleak.

 

[kash55]

They are not going get a better deal than the one offered. They need to learn from what happened to the NHL, it doesn't get better from this point on.

 

[kash55]

They are not going get a better deal than the one offered. They need to learn from what happened to the NHL, it doesn't get better from this point on.

 

[big j 33]

Why did I even bother replying with any effort to your post, it was clearly a waste.

Even reading your first comment, those three players stayed on their teams because they had great supporting casts.... fact. Sure, Amare went to a team that was worse, and it was motivated by money. But why is that entirely his fault? Why not give some blame to the Suns who did not offer Amare a full 5 years on his contract, and instead only offered 3? The owners have the money, they're the one in charge you say, yet the Suns let their star player leave. Probably because he has tattoos...

Don't tell me to be logical when the vast majority of your comments have been a cry for the return of "pure" basketball, what exactly about this new CBA could possible bring the return? Honestly? How could the CBA truly bring about this change you're demanding. Outlaw social media? Outlaw ESPN to interview players? Prevent free agents from dictating where they get to go? Should the league place superstars on their teams like a fantasy draft? Outlaw players to get a tattoo? And FYI, Duncan does have tattoos. And the most beloved "pure" player out there right now, Kevin Durant, does as well, it's just not as visible. Seriously, you're letting a few examples represent an entire league. Not to mention you're looking back to the past as if it was some idyllic utopia of competition, where everything was pure and covered in gold and rainbows shot out of the arenas after the game.

Why do the players share all of the blame? It's getting worse, yet the owners must have approved the last CBA? Yet the league must be cashing in on these players marketability. Yet the teams and owners must use their own players star power to boost ticket sales and bring in more revenue? It's a fabricated league? Blame Stern and the officiating for making it harder to play with contact. Oh... but they have tattoos and some desire big cities... how awful.

The players have made a concession to drop 7% down on the BRI, does that not represent an effort to bring a change? Why can't the owners share SOME blame for not letting the players have some system issues? The owners will be getting back all the money their losing due to the BRI split, how are they not to blame in some way as well?

 

[big j 33]

Why did I even bother replying with any effort to your post, it was clearly a waste.

Even reading your first comment, those three players stayed on their teams because they had great supporting casts.... fact. Sure, Amare went to a team that was worse, and it was motivated by money. But why is that entirely his fault? Why not give some blame to the Suns who did not offer Amare a full 5 years on his contract, and instead only offered 3? The owners have the money, they're the one in charge you say, yet the Suns let their star player leave. Probably because he has tattoos...

Don't tell me to be logical when the vast majority of your comments have been a cry for the return of "pure" basketball, what exactly about this new CBA could possible bring the return? Honestly? How could the CBA truly bring about this change you're demanding. Outlaw social media? Outlaw ESPN to interview players? Prevent free agents from dictating where they get to go? Should the league place superstars on their teams like a fantasy draft? Outlaw players to get a tattoo? And FYI, Duncan does have tattoos. And the most beloved "pure" player out there right now, Kevin Durant, does as well, it's just not as visible. Seriously, you're letting a few examples represent an entire league. Not to mention you're looking back to the past as if it was some idyllic utopia of competition, where everything was pure and covered in gold and rainbows shot out of the arenas after the game.

Why do the players share all of the blame? It's getting worse, yet the owners must have approved the last CBA? Yet the league must be cashing in on these players marketability. Yet the teams and owners must use their own players star power to boost ticket sales and bring in more revenue? It's a fabricated league? Blame Stern and the officiating for making it harder to play with contact. Oh... but they have tattoos and some desire big cities... how awful.

The players have made a concession to drop 7% down on the BRI, does that not represent an effort to bring a change? Why can't the owners share SOME blame for not letting the players have some system issues? The owners will be getting back all the money their losing due to the BRI split, how are they not to blame in some way as well?

 

[mgrand15]

Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539

But what fun is it for a fan who's team isn't in the finals to watch the same team every year? The 80's and 90's were being dominated by THREE main players. THREE. We pretty much know who they are. All three of those players were drafted by their teams, right? Stayed on those teams, right? Gave everything they had for those teams, rightfully so - and dominated. 
You had a player like Stat - who pretty much played for a Phoenix team who was literally 2 games away from making the Finals for only their second time in history. THEY HAD A SOLID TEAM!!!! 
Hmm....who gladly left that competitive team for a team who hadn't made the playoffs in 8 years....Amare? Right. This bum literally walked away from a team that was pretty much established to potentially do damage in the West, along with Nash, Hill, Richardson, Turiaf, Barbosa, Frye - to join a Knicks team that hadn't did %!*% in 8 years. What did that Knicks team do? Traded away half their team for 1 player - who we all laughed at. This dude Amare went to NY just because he was attracted to the lights, fame, inferior love...because if he really wanted that championship - he knew where his best chances were to get it..and what player did anything remotely close to what Amare did in the 80's, 90's? C'mon now. Be logical.

My point is this. Clearly, these NBA players aren't in it for the purpose of playing this game. It's a fabricated league, dictated by the players. They're all in it to show off their newest tattoo in the brightest of lights. Don't get me wrong - that's something that comes with the territory - but that territory isn't for sale. 

You see, a player like Tim Duncan never gets the credit he deserved. If I tell you he won 4 ships with the team he stayed with, you would be like 'he did, huh?' - you're never going to see that kind of player in this league again if the same rules were currently implied today. No social media, ESPN-interview seeking, tattoo'd up player. A pure player, about the game, the prize, the pureness of the NBA - that man Duncan is what this league needed to prove an example.

Yeah I'm angry. Yeah, because these players caused this lockout. After a 50/50 offer given, they still rejected. Now it's getting worst, and who's to blame? That's right. The same side you guys are rooting for.

Give it up. This is a business. An employer. Like, I pay you - you do what I say.......sound familiar? Yeah.....that's because you're in a business that's paying you.

Man, I gotta say I hate dudes that think everything old school was automatically better. Jordan had a HOF coach and Scottie Pippen (HOFer) as his wingman. Magic and Bird were drafted into teams with multiple HOFers on the team already. We're not just talking good players or all stars, these guys had HALL OF FAMERS with them. Why would they leave? Ya'll are gonna talk about Lebron, Stat, Bosh and Melo like they're evidence of a softer era.

Lebron had nothing but ROLEPLAYERS on his squad. He had to do everything and he still gave them 7 GREAT years of basketball. The Knicks haven't won a playoff game that whole time, they and a ton of other teams would've killed for those 7 years. Stat was offered less guaranteed money in Phoenix, you think in the 80s or 90s anyone would've been like "Okay, they're offering me a smaller contract while I'm injury prone and also surrounding me with an aging supporting cast but I'm gonna sign here because they drafted me." ??? Nah dog, they didn't believe in Stat, why would he stay? Bosh was surrounded by garbage for his whole career, why would he stay? Melo had a solid cast with him and he still gave Denver 7 years of playoffs/contender ball AND they got a lot in return for him.

Superstars don't leave teams when they have superstars next to them. Duncan had Parker and Ginobili - he had no reason to leave. If a GM builds a good team, which is more than possible, players don't care about markets. Look at Durant - even before they were winning, he was happy because management surrounded him with a young squad with a lot of potential. What happened? He signed a 5 year deal with OKLAHOMA CITY and he has tattoos and uses social media. Players stay in cities that treat them well, pay them and let them play on a good team. Get that old school BS out of here, players are the same if not better than they were back then.

You should be upset at the fact that the Lakers can get a 1 billion dollar TV deal while the Charlotte Bobcats probably can't get a fraction of that. The issue isn't competitive balance, that's complete BS on the owners side to rile up people like you who ignore big markets doing terrible and small markets succeeding. These rule changes are about controlling the players and sticking it to them. The owners really don't care - their failures in the W column has a lot more to do with inept GMs than it has to do with money.

It's all about money, which blows my mind because NBA teams have a TON of possible revenue streams. TV deals, advertisements, concerts, tickets, - all of that can easily add up to more than player salaries. If they want to play it like a business, they should sell the team - it'd definitely go for more money than they bought it for and they'd make the money they desperately want. Sport team owners should be for sport fans not for guys looking for a quick buck. Ofcourse, they won't do that because they know having an NBA team even when it's allegedly "losing" money is a lot more profitable than not having one.

 

[mgrand15]

Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539

But what fun is it for a fan who's team isn't in the finals to watch the same team every year? The 80's and 90's were being dominated by THREE main players. THREE. We pretty much know who they are. All three of those players were drafted by their teams, right? Stayed on those teams, right? Gave everything they had for those teams, rightfully so - and dominated. 
You had a player like Stat - who pretty much played for a Phoenix team who was literally 2 games away from making the Finals for only their second time in history. THEY HAD A SOLID TEAM!!!! 
Hmm....who gladly left that competitive team for a team who hadn't made the playoffs in 8 years....Amare? Right. This bum literally walked away from a team that was pretty much established to potentially do damage in the West, along with Nash, Hill, Richardson, Turiaf, Barbosa, Frye - to join a Knicks team that hadn't did %!*% in 8 years. What did that Knicks team do? Traded away half their team for 1 player - who we all laughed at. This dude Amare went to NY just because he was attracted to the lights, fame, inferior love...because if he really wanted that championship - he knew where his best chances were to get it..and what player did anything remotely close to what Amare did in the 80's, 90's? C'mon now. Be logical.

My point is this. Clearly, these NBA players aren't in it for the purpose of playing this game. It's a fabricated league, dictated by the players. They're all in it to show off their newest tattoo in the brightest of lights. Don't get me wrong - that's something that comes with the territory - but that territory isn't for sale. 

You see, a player like Tim Duncan never gets the credit he deserved. If I tell you he won 4 ships with the team he stayed with, you would be like 'he did, huh?' - you're never going to see that kind of player in this league again if the same rules were currently implied today. No social media, ESPN-interview seeking, tattoo'd up player. A pure player, about the game, the prize, the pureness of the NBA - that man Duncan is what this league needed to prove an example.

Yeah I'm angry. Yeah, because these players caused this lockout. After a 50/50 offer given, they still rejected. Now it's getting worst, and who's to blame? That's right. The same side you guys are rooting for.

Give it up. This is a business. An employer. Like, I pay you - you do what I say.......sound familiar? Yeah.....that's because you're in a business that's paying you.

Man, I gotta say I hate dudes that think everything old school was automatically better. Jordan had a HOF coach and Scottie Pippen (HOFer) as his wingman. Magic and Bird were drafted into teams with multiple HOFers on the team already. We're not just talking good players or all stars, these guys had HALL OF FAMERS with them. Why would they leave? Ya'll are gonna talk about Lebron, Stat, Bosh and Melo like they're evidence of a softer era.

Lebron had nothing but ROLEPLAYERS on his squad. He had to do everything and he still gave them 7 GREAT years of basketball. The Knicks haven't won a playoff game that whole time, they and a ton of other teams would've killed for those 7 years. Stat was offered less guaranteed money in Phoenix, you think in the 80s or 90s anyone would've been like "Okay, they're offering me a smaller contract while I'm injury prone and also surrounding me with an aging supporting cast but I'm gonna sign here because they drafted me." ??? Nah dog, they didn't believe in Stat, why would he stay? Bosh was surrounded by garbage for his whole career, why would he stay? Melo had a solid cast with him and he still gave Denver 7 years of playoffs/contender ball AND they got a lot in return for him.

Superstars don't leave teams when they have superstars next to them. Duncan had Parker and Ginobili - he had no reason to leave. If a GM builds a good team, which is more than possible, players don't care about markets. Look at Durant - even before they were winning, he was happy because management surrounded him with a young squad with a lot of potential. What happened? He signed a 5 year deal with OKLAHOMA CITY and he has tattoos and uses social media. Players stay in cities that treat them well, pay them and let them play on a good team. Get that old school BS out of here, players are the same if not better than they were back then.

You should be upset at the fact that the Lakers can get a 1 billion dollar TV deal while the Charlotte Bobcats probably can't get a fraction of that. The issue isn't competitive balance, that's complete BS on the owners side to rile up people like you who ignore big markets doing terrible and small markets succeeding. These rule changes are about controlling the players and sticking it to them. The owners really don't care - their failures in the W column has a lot more to do with inept GMs than it has to do with money.

It's all about money, which blows my mind because NBA teams have a TON of possible revenue streams. TV deals, advertisements, concerts, tickets, - all of that can easily add up to more than player salaries. If they want to play it like a business, they should sell the team - it'd definitely go for more money than they bought it for and they'd make the money they desperately want. Sport team owners should be for sport fans not for guys looking for a quick buck. Ofcourse, they won't do that because they know having an NBA team even when it's allegedly "losing" money is a lot more profitable than not having one.

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by kash55

They are not going get a better deal than the one offered. They need to learn from what happened to the NHL, it doesn't get better from this point on.

All that needs to be said. It's over. Watching PTI, listening to Kornheiser's radio show everyday, etc. It's the same thing: players need to take the deal. It gets so much worse from here on out that it's not worth it. The owners WILL win. It's just a matter of when, and by how much.

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by kash55

They are not going get a better deal than the one offered. They need to learn from what happened to the NHL, it doesn't get better from this point on.

All that needs to be said. It's over. Watching PTI, listening to Kornheiser's radio show everyday, etc. It's the same thing: players need to take the deal. It gets so much worse from here on out that it's not worth it. The owners WILL win. It's just a matter of when, and by how much.

 

[ill steelo]

Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539

Originally Posted by Big J 33

And the league is keeping up the charade of "competitive balance" to take more money and system benefits for their side even after they have more than made up for their losses each season.

Can't have it both ways. If you want a league to get high ratings, then you need the Heat and Big 3, the Lakers v. Celtics, the 90s Bulls, etc. If you want "competitive balance" then be prepared to deal with low ratings when it's Spurs v. Nets or Spurs v. Pistons.

What fun would it be for someone in Oakland, Charlotte, Cleveland, etc. if it's the same $!%@ every year? That's what the NBA is nowadays. This ain't the 90's anymore dawg. The players back than were faithful to the team that was bared across their chest - these new fake baller cats - not so much. I'm sick of the players treating the NBA like it's a fashion show, where lights, camera, action reigns over actual basketball i.e. Melo, Lebron, Stat, etc.

I don't give a damn if it's Spurs v. Nets v.s Pistons every year, I'm going to watch it - that just means they played better basketball than everyone else - like the way it should be.

Stop feeling sorry for these lame %!+ #%%%#*@ players. They get enough groupies to spill fake emotions to already..

We had two small market teams in the finals in '07. You certainly know who the teams were

The ratings were historically low.

And that matchup featured the league's brightest young star.

The league shouldn't attempt to implement something that people will not watch.

And it's not as if small market are hopeless in the current system.

Spurs have 4 rings & several other conference finals appearances

DET had 6 straight conference finals appearances.

MEM & OKC won more playoff games than the Lakers last season.

The only issue the league had was the losses. They were perfectly fine from a ratings standpoint. The league was as popular as ever last season.

The players atoned for the loss by agreeing to a 50/50 split which is a 3.3 bil giveback on the player's behalf over a 10 year CBA. The system shouldn't be altered too much for the reasons I mentioned.

Luckily, the owners have realized that & have only proposed minor changes to the system (less MLE for tax payers but they can still use it every year, sign & trades for tax payers in the first two years)

 

[ill steelo]

Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539

Originally Posted by Big J 33

And the league is keeping up the charade of "competitive balance" to take more money and system benefits for their side even after they have more than made up for their losses each season.

Can't have it both ways. If you want a league to get high ratings, then you need the Heat and Big 3, the Lakers v. Celtics, the 90s Bulls, etc. If you want "competitive balance" then be prepared to deal with low ratings when it's Spurs v. Nets or Spurs v. Pistons.

What fun would it be for someone in Oakland, Charlotte, Cleveland, etc. if it's the same $!%@ every year? That's what the NBA is nowadays. This ain't the 90's anymore dawg. The players back than were faithful to the team that was bared across their chest - these new fake baller cats - not so much. I'm sick of the players treating the NBA like it's a fashion show, where lights, camera, action reigns over actual basketball i.e. Melo, Lebron, Stat, etc.

I don't give a damn if it's Spurs v. Nets v.s Pistons every year, I'm going to watch it - that just means they played better basketball than everyone else - like the way it should be.

Stop feeling sorry for these lame %!+ #%%%#*@ players. They get enough groupies to spill fake emotions to already..

We had two small market teams in the finals in '07. You certainly know who the teams were

The ratings were historically low.

And that matchup featured the league's brightest young star.

The league shouldn't attempt to implement something that people will not watch.

And it's not as if small market are hopeless in the current system.

Spurs have 4 rings & several other conference finals appearances

DET had 6 straight conference finals appearances.

MEM & OKC won more playoff games than the Lakers last season.

The only issue the league had was the losses. They were perfectly fine from a ratings standpoint. The league was as popular as ever last season.

The players atoned for the loss by agreeing to a 50/50 split which is a 3.3 bil giveback on the player's behalf over a 10 year CBA. The system shouldn't be altered too much for the reasons I mentioned.

Luckily, the owners have realized that & have only proposed minor changes to the system (less MLE for tax payers but they can still use it every year, sign & trades for tax payers in the first two years)

 

[pmatic]

Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539

But what fun is it for a fan who's team isn't in the finals to watch the same team every year? The 80's and 90's were being dominated by THREE main players. THREE. We pretty much know who they are. All three of those players were drafted by their teams, right? Stayed on those teams, right? Gave everything they had for those teams, rightfully so - and dominated. 
You had a player like Stat - who pretty much played for a Phoenix team who was literally 2 games away from making the Finals for only their second time in history. THEY HAD A SOLID TEAM!!!! 
Hmm....who gladly left that competitive team for a team who hadn't made the playoffs in 8 years....Amare? Right. This bum literally walked away from a team that was pretty much established to potentially do damage in the West, along with Nash, Hill, Richardson, Turiaf, Barbosa, Frye - to join a Knicks team that hadn't did %!*% in 8 years. What did that Knicks team do? Traded away half their team for 1 player - who we all laughed at. This dude Amare went to NY just because he was attracted to the lights, fame, inferior love...because if he really wanted that championship - he knew where his best chances were to get it..and what player did anything remotely close to what Amare did in the 80's, 90's? C'mon now. Be logical.

My point is this. Clearly, these NBA players aren't in it for the purpose of playing this game. It's a fabricated league, dictated by the players. They're all in it to show off their newest tattoo in the brightest of lights. Don't get me wrong - that's something that comes with the territory - but that territory isn't for sale.

I'm not even going to address the fact the Suns didn't offer Amare a fully guaranteed contract either.

 

[pmatic]

Originally Posted by Animal Thug1539

But what fun is it for a fan who's team isn't in the finals to watch the same team every year? The 80's and 90's were being dominated by THREE main players. THREE. We pretty much know who they are. All three of those players were drafted by their teams, right? Stayed on those teams, right? Gave everything they had for those teams, rightfully so - and dominated. 
You had a player like Stat - who pretty much played for a Phoenix team who was literally 2 games away from making the Finals for only their second time in history. THEY HAD A SOLID TEAM!!!! 
Hmm....who gladly left that competitive team for a team who hadn't made the playoffs in 8 years....Amare? Right. This bum literally walked away from a team that was pretty much established to potentially do damage in the West, along with Nash, Hill, Richardson, Turiaf, Barbosa, Frye - to join a Knicks team that hadn't did %!*% in 8 years. What did that Knicks team do? Traded away half their team for 1 player - who we all laughed at. This dude Amare went to NY just because he was attracted to the lights, fame, inferior love...because if he really wanted that championship - he knew where his best chances were to get it..and what player did anything remotely close to what Amare did in the 80's, 90's? C'mon now. Be logical.

My point is this. Clearly, these NBA players aren't in it for the purpose of playing this game. It's a fabricated league, dictated by the players. They're all in it to show off their newest tattoo in the brightest of lights. Don't get me wrong - that's something that comes with the territory - but that territory isn't for sale.

I'm not even going to address the fact the Suns didn't offer Amare a fully guaranteed contract either.

 

[duba169]

Basically this guy was happy when the knicks were a laughing stock and now since they are a playoff team, the league is unfair and full of !$%*@ players

If lebron was on that piece of crap cavs team you and your obnoxious owner who makes billions of exploiting poor people, would be quiet in the corner

Seriously big markets have a bit of tinybitch bit of success and these losers come out of the woodworks talking about the system being broke

 

[duba169]

Basically this guy was happy when the knicks were a laughing stock and now since they are a playoff team, the league is unfair and full of !$%*@ players

If lebron was on that piece of crap cavs team you and your obnoxious owner who makes billions of exploiting poor people, would be quiet in the corner

Seriously big markets have a bit of tinybitch bit of success and these losers come out of the woodworks talking about the system being broke

 

[pmatic]

Unless I missed something, the league has canceled the first two weeks' worth of games in December without a formal announcement (go to a team's official website and look up their schedule).

 

[pmatic]

Unless I missed something, the league has canceled the first two weeks' worth of games in December without a formal announcement (go to a team's official website and look up their schedule).

 

[kingjay718]

Animal Thug?

Were you cut from your basketball team multiple times or somethin'?  You seem very jelly of NBA players. 

 

[kingjay718]

Animal Thug?

Were you cut from your basketball team multiple times or somethin'?  You seem very jelly of NBA players.