The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap

JapanAir21 wrote:
CP1708 wrote:
Oh Stern you silly boy getting 30 white guys (MJ included) 330 million more dollars a year and still demanding more and then calling someone else greedy. Only you David, only you would be so bold. #foreverdouche

Not douches like Peter Holt and Dan Gilbert.



1st that clown from Portland and now you.
Do you not remember who is the owner of the mavs is?????
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JapanAir21 wrote:
CP1708 wrote:
Oh Stern you silly boy getting 30 white guys (MJ included) 330 million more dollars a year and still demanding more and then calling someone else greedy. Only you David, only you would be so bold. #foreverdouche

Not douches like Peter Holt and Dan Gilbert.



1st that clown from Portland and now you.
Do you not remember who is the owner of the mavs is?????
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The reason Cuban is quiet is because he wants no part of serious revenue sharing. That is the primary reason the big market owners are staying hushed up
 
The reason Cuban is quiet is because he wants no part of serious revenue sharing. That is the primary reason the big market owners are staying hushed up
 
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[h1]Comparing offers: Facts and figures from the labor talks[/h1]
Despite concerns expressed by NBA players that the owners' latest proposal in their collective bargaining talks is "worse" than a previous one, the league maintains that the revisions arrived at after 23 hours of negotiations last week are enhancements.

Here are highlights of the current offer, compared to similar points in the owners' previous proposal. Also, here are some terms of the "reset" proposal that commissioner David Stern said would be invoked if the union rejects the latest offer after its meeting Monday in New York with the teams' 30 player-reps.

New offer

Presented to union on Nov. 10:

• A 50-50 split of basketball-related income (BRI), either straight or in a 49-to-51 "band" adjusted for growth figures.

• A mid-level exception for non-taxpaying teams with a starting salary of up to $5 million in contracts up to four years in length.

• A MLE for tax-paying teams starting at $3 million with a maximum length of three years, available every year.

• A new "room" exception for all teams below the salary cap starting at $2.5 million for up to two years.

• Sign-and-trade deals available to all teams, including -- in Years 1 and 2 of the CBA -- taxpaying teams.

• Maximum annual raises of 6.5 percent for "Bird" free agents (players re-signed by their current teams) and 3.5 percent for others.

• Minimum payroll requirement -- known as "the floor" -- of 85 percent of the salary cap in Years 1 and 2, increasing to 90 percent thereafter.

• An allowance for teams whose use of the full MLE would put them over the luxury-tax threshold. They would be permitted to conform by reducing payroll by an Oct. 15 deadline, either through trades or the "stretch" provision in which a player would be cut, with his remaining salary spread out over a longer period of time (two times the years remaining on his deal, plus one). This lower salary figure could enable the team to get down below the tax.

• A mutual opt-out clause in the new CBA after 6 years, conforming to NBPA preference.

* Other provisions in the new offer -- relating to escrow money (10 percent, up from
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, stiffened luxury-tax penalties, a 12 percent drop in rookie and minimum-salary scales (to accommodate 12 percent drop in BRI share from 57 percent), the limiting of bi-annual exceptions to non-taxpaying teams, a 6-month buffer on extend-and-trade deals and other items -- remain essentially unchanged from the previous proposal.

Previous offer

Presented to union on Nov. 5:

Same as above, except:

• The MLE exception for taxpaying teams would have started at $2.5 million for a maximum of two years and been available to use only every other year.

• No "room" exception. Teams under the salary cap would only have that cap space available for free-agent signings.

• No sign-and-trade deals for taxpaying teams.

• Maximum annual raises of 5.5 percent for "Bird" players and 3.5 percent for others.

• The minimum payroll requirement in past CBAs was 75 percent of the cap number.

• The mutual opt-out in the 10-year CBA would come after 7 years.

"Reset" offer

To be presented if the union rejects the current offer:

• A 47 percent share of BRI for the players.

• A hard salary cap set $5 million above the average team salary.

• Rollbacks of individual player contracts "in proportion to system changes" to allow for spending on free agents.

• A MLE exception with a starting salary of $3 million and a maximum term of three seasons.

• Maximum contract lengths of four years for "Bird" free agents and three years for other players. Each team could give a five-year deal to one designated player.

• Maximum annual raises of 4.5 percent for "Bird" players and 3.5 percent for others.


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[h1]Comparing offers: Facts and figures from the labor talks[/h1]
Despite concerns expressed by NBA players that the owners' latest proposal in their collective bargaining talks is "worse" than a previous one, the league maintains that the revisions arrived at after 23 hours of negotiations last week are enhancements.

Here are highlights of the current offer, compared to similar points in the owners' previous proposal. Also, here are some terms of the "reset" proposal that commissioner David Stern said would be invoked if the union rejects the latest offer after its meeting Monday in New York with the teams' 30 player-reps.

New offer

Presented to union on Nov. 10:

• A 50-50 split of basketball-related income (BRI), either straight or in a 49-to-51 "band" adjusted for growth figures.

• A mid-level exception for non-taxpaying teams with a starting salary of up to $5 million in contracts up to four years in length.

• A MLE for tax-paying teams starting at $3 million with a maximum length of three years, available every year.

• A new "room" exception for all teams below the salary cap starting at $2.5 million for up to two years.

• Sign-and-trade deals available to all teams, including -- in Years 1 and 2 of the CBA -- taxpaying teams.

• Maximum annual raises of 6.5 percent for "Bird" free agents (players re-signed by their current teams) and 3.5 percent for others.

• Minimum payroll requirement -- known as "the floor" -- of 85 percent of the salary cap in Years 1 and 2, increasing to 90 percent thereafter.

• An allowance for teams whose use of the full MLE would put them over the luxury-tax threshold. They would be permitted to conform by reducing payroll by an Oct. 15 deadline, either through trades or the "stretch" provision in which a player would be cut, with his remaining salary spread out over a longer period of time (two times the years remaining on his deal, plus one). This lower salary figure could enable the team to get down below the tax.

• A mutual opt-out clause in the new CBA after 6 years, conforming to NBPA preference.

* Other provisions in the new offer -- relating to escrow money (10 percent, up from
glasses.gif
, stiffened luxury-tax penalties, a 12 percent drop in rookie and minimum-salary scales (to accommodate 12 percent drop in BRI share from 57 percent), the limiting of bi-annual exceptions to non-taxpaying teams, a 6-month buffer on extend-and-trade deals and other items -- remain essentially unchanged from the previous proposal.

Previous offer

Presented to union on Nov. 5:

Same as above, except:

• The MLE exception for taxpaying teams would have started at $2.5 million for a maximum of two years and been available to use only every other year.

• No "room" exception. Teams under the salary cap would only have that cap space available for free-agent signings.

• No sign-and-trade deals for taxpaying teams.

• Maximum annual raises of 5.5 percent for "Bird" players and 3.5 percent for others.

• The minimum payroll requirement in past CBAs was 75 percent of the cap number.

• The mutual opt-out in the 10-year CBA would come after 7 years.

"Reset" offer

To be presented if the union rejects the current offer:

• A 47 percent share of BRI for the players.

• A hard salary cap set $5 million above the average team salary.

• Rollbacks of individual player contracts "in proportion to system changes" to allow for spending on free agents.

• A MLE exception with a starting salary of $3 million and a maximum term of three seasons.

• Maximum contract lengths of four years for "Bird" free agents and three years for other players. Each team could give a five-year deal to one designated player.

• Maximum annual raises of 4.5 percent for "Bird" players and 3.5 percent for others.


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if they have to spend 90 percent of the cap arent we going to end up with the same terrible contracts handed out to mediocre players?

opt out after 6 years is pretty big.

definitely sounds like a better deal when you see all the facts presented.
 
if they have to spend 90 percent of the cap arent we going to end up with the same terrible contracts handed out to mediocre players?

opt out after 6 years is pretty big.

definitely sounds like a better deal when you see all the facts presented.
 
Originally Posted by DubA169

if they have to spend 90 percent of the cap arent we going to end up with the same terrible contracts handed out to mediocre players?
Was thinking the same thing. 90% is pretty high.
 
Originally Posted by DubA169

if they have to spend 90 percent of the cap arent we going to end up with the same terrible contracts handed out to mediocre players?
Was thinking the same thing. 90% is pretty high.
 
Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by CP1708

Oh Stern you silly boy getting 30 white guys (MJ included) 330 million more dollars a year and still demanding more and then calling someone else greedy. Only you David, only you would be so bold. #foreverdouche
I feel bad for the owners who really are innocent bystanders in all of this. The guys you know are generally good owners, and just want this to go away so they can get back to business.
Empathy for the wealthy.....................this is why our country is in the crapper folks.......................

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Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by CP1708

Oh Stern you silly boy getting 30 white guys (MJ included) 330 million more dollars a year and still demanding more and then calling someone else greedy. Only you David, only you would be so bold. #foreverdouche
I feel bad for the owners who really are innocent bystanders in all of this. The guys you know are generally good owners, and just want this to go away so they can get back to business.
Empathy for the wealthy.....................this is why our country is in the crapper folks.......................

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I honestly believe that most of these players only know what they know via the media and react to it on these social networks. If Hunter and Fisher doesn't put this proposal to a vote then we can hang up the 2011-2012 season. Someone really needs to inform these players that decertifiying this late in the game wont end well for them at all SMH
 
I honestly believe that most of these players only know what they know via the media and react to it on these social networks. If Hunter and Fisher doesn't put this proposal to a vote then we can hang up the 2011-2012 season. Someone really needs to inform these players that decertifiying this late in the game wont end well for them at all SMH
 
Originally Posted by Beware The Underdog

Originally Posted by Scientific Method

Cuban isn't the one trying to cause the NBA season to be cancelled.
Yeah but we gonna act like Cuban isn't a CLOWN?
Clown, sure. Jerk hardline owners who isn't flexible? No.
 
Originally Posted by Beware The Underdog

Originally Posted by Scientific Method

Cuban isn't the one trying to cause the NBA season to be cancelled.
Yeah but we gonna act like Cuban isn't a CLOWN?
Clown, sure. Jerk hardline owners who isn't flexible? No.
 
The NBA is taking questions via twitter for David Stern and Adam Silver to answer at 7, tweet to @NBA and @NBALabor, maybe copy @cavsdan.
 
The NBA is taking questions via twitter for David Stern and Adam Silver to answer at 7, tweet to @NBA and @NBALabor, maybe copy @cavsdan.
 
The NBA is taking questions via twitter for David Stern and Adam Silver to answer at 7, tweet to @NBA and @NBALabor, maybe copy @cavsdan.
 
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