The Official Off-Season NBA Thread

[100027]

I'm talking about the spot he's in now. He did little as a NBA coach and got a GM job.

Other white coaches specifically Dantoni, Thibs, and Budenholzer also went through the same cycle where they were anointed top coaches in the L for their outstanding regular season performances on their first teams.

The media and fans then turned on each of them (overturned) when they consistently failed to make the finals as a result of bad luck, mistakes, losing to superior opponents etc. Each of them ended up going to new teams and grinding to try and make it back.

Budenholzer finally broke through and won this past year after being relentlessly criticized, called an idiot etc. Thibs ended up looking more funny in the light when he had to adapt to other rosters, he’s doing ok though. Mike D will probably go down as one of the top coaches to always fall short.

Brad Stevens? He just quit when he reached his ceiling. Somehow dodged the level of criticism those other guys got though. Pretty slick maneuver.

 

[coldcity]

This one will never not be funny. Afflalo was about to get choked out like a little kid

So much power in that whiff

 

[akajae]

Afflalo was ready to tap

 

[IATT]

 

[addict4sneakers]

People be making stuff up. Bron created wing domination. MJ didn’t have friends. Eddie Johnson hates jump shots but spent his whole career shooting jump shots.

What’s this world coming to

 

[MVP]

Bron did change the game off the court with player empowerment. That's a significant as what Wardell has done on it. Whether that's for the better or worse for the league is up for debate.

 

[sneeker]

Bron did change the game off the court with player empowerment. That's a significant as what Wardell has done on it. Whether that's for the better or worse for the league is up for debate.

empowerment and entitlement at the same time.

 

[P C H]

I think Bron has definitely change the way superstar wings maneuver

The heliocentric pick on the pg style wasn’t really there prior to him

 

[lovehateself]

People be making stuff up. Bron created wing domination. MJ didn’t have friends. Eddie Johnson hates jump shots but spent his whole career shooting jump shots.

What’s this world coming to

its pays well to be play the devils advocate

 

[B Sox]

Ain’t this what teams do now tho?
Look at Philly and Phoenix.
Warriors and Lakers hired former agents.

I mean, James Jones legit had no resume other than being the last guy on the bench of LeBron's teams before getting the job in PHX. Dudes get hired for all kinds of reasons

Stevens went to 3 conference finals in 4 years without having a top 10 player. He's not some random dude off the street or some coach of a perennial lotto team. He does know the personnel.

Could they have gone with someone else? Sure.

 

[Based Jesus]

It's incredibly hard to change the way the game is played so I don't hold that against anyone
Very few players can make that claim, even amongst the greatest to ever do it
It does add to a player's resume when they can make that claim though

 

[HIM]

How exactly did Steph change the way the game is played? I keep hearing this.

 

[P C H]

And the Celtics issue is simply mass amounts of talent drain.

Can quibble with coaching, rotations etc but at the end of the day they don’t really have anyone that’s nice outside of JB and Tatum

 

[IATT]

Bron did change the game off the court with player empowerment. That's a significant as what Wardell has done on it. Whether that's for the better or worse for the league is up for debate.

the thing I’d give bron credit for is Klutch

but jordan really REALLY laid the blueprint down for most dudes with all his endorsement deals along with his signature shoe line.. hell bron even went as far as to copy space jam

but bron is mostly responsible for the AAU type tactics as far as roster building

but even the short term deals, jordan was using that too back in the 90s to force the organization to do things

 

[IATT]

How exactly did Steph change the way the game is played? I keep hearing this.

think most people look at the levels to which teams shoot 3s who don’t have steph and klay and blame steph

 

[B Sox]

And the Celtics issue is simply mass amounts of talent drain.

Can quibble with coaching, rotations etc but at the end of the day they don’t really have anyone that’s nice outside of JB and Tatum

2 years ago had 4 all-star caliber players. Now only have 2.

Will see what they do with the Horford contract and the TPEs this deadline/offseason. Stevens didn't make that Horford/Kemba swap immediately for nothing.

 

[Blue Mamba]

How exactly did Steph change the way the game is played? I keep hearing this.

Go to any gym and watch players chuck up 3’s all game long

 

[addict4sneakers]

Y’all getting erupted this early into 2022 is shameful

 

[P C H]

2 years ago had 4 all-star caliber players. Now only have 2.

Will see what they do with the Horford contract and the TPEs this deadline/offseason. Stevens didn't make that Horford/Kemba swap immediately for nothing.

Yep I mean Hortford (the first time) Kyrie Hayward Kemba all leaving and getting essentially nothing in return is tough to overcome

Building the team around Tatum and brown isn’t the issue IMO it’s simply that they’ve gotten nothing for the talent that’s left, and have failed at building out the roster on the margins.

 

[lovehateself]

How exactly did Steph change the way the game is played? I keep hearing this.

look at all the kids wearing steph UA sigs at the ball park, everyone wants to play like him

 

[HIM]

D’Antoni rolling over in his grave.

Also, hasn’t the 3pt shot attempt average been steadily rising pretty much since its existence?

look at all the kids wearing steph UA sigs at the ball park, everyone wants to play like him

But that’s not what people mean when they say. They’re talking about the NBA being changed, not how kids play

 

[storm2006]

Brad Stevens? He just quit when he reached his ceiling. Somehow dodged the level of criticism those other guys got though. Pretty slick maneuver.

Stevens went to 3 conference finals in 4 years without having a top 10 player. He's not some random dude off the street or some coach of a perennial lotto team. He does know the personnel.

Yeah, B Sox beat me to it but I'm not sure it is accurate that Brad Stevens reached his ceiling. He never made it past the conference finals but he made it there regularly with suboptimal roster construction. That's also probably why he didn't the level of criticism as the other guys you mentioned. In my opinion, the mismangement on "assets" held him back from reaching his potential as much, if not more, than anything he did as a head coach.

 

[MVP]

How exactly did Steph change the way the game is played? I keep hearing this.

Got kids jacking up ill advised long range shots all over this stolen land. It's nasteee stuff.

 

[P C H]

Before Lebron we didn’t blink at Mike, Kobe etc going one on one and taking tough 2’s against guys.

Now we actually encourage taking the easiest route possible. Matchup hunting with your star wing

 

[HIM]

Okay maybe I’m wrong. I always thought people meant Steph changed the NBA. So he changed the playgrounds? I won’t argue that, I suppose