It shouldn't be considered a battle but that depends on how the ppl you interact with handle it. If everybody wants to pray before a meal or bless the meal or w/e and a person doesn't do and/or agree with that they can leave the room until yall finished. You right, the person you're talking about doesn't always have to say I'm an atheist I don't pray, and then go on some rant about religion. All they have to do is say no.
It shouldn't be considered a battle but that depends on how the ppl you interact with handle it. If everybody wants to pray before a meal or bless the meal or w/e and a person doesn't do and/or agree with that they can leave the room until yall finished. You right, the person you're talking about doesn't always have to say I'm an atheist I don't pray, and then go on some rant about religion. All they have to do is say no.
why would u go to the bathroom that doesn't make sense to meOriginally Posted by Master Zik
It shouldn't be considered a battle but that depends on how the ppl you interact with handle it. If everybody wants to pray before a meal or bless the meal or w/e and a person doesn't do and/or agree with that they can leave the room until yall finished. You right, the person you're talking about doesn't always have to say I'm an atheist I don't pray, and then go on some rant about religion. All they have to do is say no.
Asking ppl to bite the bullet won't work if they happen to take their non belief that seriously or if they find the religious ppl in their company are trying to push their beliefs on them. I mean if the person agreed they could always say I didn't really pray after yall finish
I knew a dude who would always go to the bathroom when his family did that during Thanksgiving and there was never no problem
why would u go to the bathroom that doesn't make sense to meOriginally Posted by Master Zik
It shouldn't be considered a battle but that depends on how the ppl you interact with handle it. If everybody wants to pray before a meal or bless the meal or w/e and a person doesn't do and/or agree with that they can leave the room until yall finished. You right, the person you're talking about doesn't always have to say I'm an atheist I don't pray, and then go on some rant about religion. All they have to do is say no.
Asking ppl to bite the bullet won't work if they happen to take their non belief that seriously or if they find the religious ppl in their company are trying to push their beliefs on them. I mean if the person agreed they could always say I didn't really pray after yall finish
I knew a dude who would always go to the bathroom when his family did that during Thanksgiving and there was never no problem
Well he rather relieve himself or wash his face while ppl were praying.
Well he rather relieve himself or wash his face while ppl were praying.
You're saying that out of respect for the person, I have to pretend to pray with them? I'll admit that I have pretended to pray out of respect before but it's not something I HAVE to do, rather it's something I can choose to do or not. I chose to do it because they were people I was close with and I didn't want to make the situation awkward. Have you ever sat around and just watched as people prayed? It's bizarre.
You're saying that out of respect for the person, I have to pretend to pray with them? I'll admit that I have pretended to pray out of respect before but it's not something I HAVE to do, rather it's something I can choose to do or not. I chose to do it because they were people I was close with and I didn't want to make the situation awkward. Have you ever sat around and just watched as people prayed? It's bizarre.
There's a few kinds of people that keep my faith in humanity alive, and you're one of those kinds of people. You were the opposite, a real life troll, but you made that transition to an understanding human being. I don't know you from the next poster, but I appreciate that a lot and I'm sorry for your loss. I hope whatever deity out there that exists blesses you through your life sir.
There's a few kinds of people that keep my faith in humanity alive, and you're one of those kinds of people. You were the opposite, a real life troll, but you made that transition to an understanding human being. I don't know you from the next poster, but I appreciate that a lot and I'm sorry for your loss. I hope whatever deity out there that exists blesses you through your life sir.
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badmoonRison wrote:
I stopped believing somewhere in high school... it didn't help that I had a catholic H.S. that liked to force-feed jesus stuff to the students. I really reacted badly to that, and realized that I really doubted everything about the Bible and I was just faking it for my mom.
When I told my mom I didn't care about Catholicism anymore, she said "it's nice to have something to comfort you, for instance when my grandmother died believing in God really helped me picture her in a better place."
So I always thought that maybe I would have a large conversion if someone close to me died... but my cousin died last summer, and I got even more bitter and angry. How could a "loving god" let my cousin die like that? A 32-year-old successful accountant in a Chicago firm about to get engaged to his longtime GF? Nah, it wasn't part of the plan, it's just that things happen. People die randomly and it's horrible, but it's part of life. There's no god up there calling the shots.
I used to be very angry and I used to love trolling people like mormons and witnesses, but I've been going to meditation lately and there we talk about forgiveness and peace and things like that... so I've accepted that people are different and will always have varying opinions on religion until the end of our existence.
There's a few kinds of people that keep my faith in humanity alive, and you're one of those kinds of people. You were the opposite, a real life troll, but you made that transition to an understanding human being. I don't know you from the next poster, but I appreciate that a lot and I'm sorry for your loss. I hope whatever deity out there that exists blesses you through your life sir.
Thank you man, that's a big compliment. That's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on NT in eight years
I'm engaged in a constant quest to find peace and calm in my life... I'm really trying to live less negatively, if that makes sense. If anyone is interested in this sort of thing, I suggest visiting a meditation center. Most people there are Buddhist or Atheists, and there's no religious talk of any kind... just searching your soul and things like that.
@ lobotomybeats
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Wow man, that sounds like you are going to be a hater for the rest of your life... that's like declaring yourself a Republican-hater, you can stress and stress and stress about it but they will never go away... same with churches. The closer we move towards the end of existence (which really can be tomorrow or can be 2,000 years from now), I think more people will turn to churches for comfort.
You've really made it clear in your posts that you dislike religion... and I'm not trying to tell you how to feel, but I suggest keeping it at just that: a dislike. Ripping on churchgoers seems like it would be satisfying, but it's really pretty malicious and hurtful. I don't like church either, but there's a lot worse things people could be doing than trying to be a better person once a week.
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James Earl Zones wrote:
badmoonRison wrote:
I stopped believing somewhere in high school... it didn't help that I had a catholic H.S. that liked to force-feed jesus stuff to the students. I really reacted badly to that, and realized that I really doubted everything about the Bible and I was just faking it for my mom.
When I told my mom I didn't care about Catholicism anymore, she said "it's nice to have something to comfort you, for instance when my grandmother died believing in God really helped me picture her in a better place."
So I always thought that maybe I would have a large conversion if someone close to me died... but my cousin died last summer, and I got even more bitter and angry. How could a "loving god" let my cousin die like that? A 32-year-old successful accountant in a Chicago firm about to get engaged to his longtime GF? Nah, it wasn't part of the plan, it's just that things happen. People die randomly and it's horrible, but it's part of life. There's no god up there calling the shots.
I used to be very angry and I used to love trolling people like mormons and witnesses, but I've been going to meditation lately and there we talk about forgiveness and peace and things like that... so I've accepted that people are different and will always have varying opinions on religion until the end of our existence.
There's a few kinds of people that keep my faith in humanity alive, and you're one of those kinds of people. You were the opposite, a real life troll, but you made that transition to an understanding human being. I don't know you from the next poster, but I appreciate that a lot and I'm sorry for your loss. I hope whatever deity out there that exists blesses you through your life sir.
Thank you man, that's a big compliment. That's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on NT in eight years
I'm engaged in a constant quest to find peace and calm in my life... I'm really trying to live less negatively, if that makes sense. If anyone is interested in this sort of thing, I suggest visiting a meditation center. Most people there are Buddhist or Atheists, and there's no religious talk of any kind... just searching your soul and things like that.
@ lobotomybeats
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Wow man, that sounds like you are going to be a hater for the rest of your life... that's like declaring yourself a Republican-hater, you can stress and stress and stress about it but they will never go away... same with churches. The closer we move towards the end of existence (which really can be tomorrow or can be 2,000 years from now), I think more people will turn to churches for comfort.
You've really made it clear in your posts that you dislike religion... and I'm not trying to tell you how to feel, but I suggest keeping it at just that: a dislike. Ripping on churchgoers seems like it would be satisfying, but it's really pretty malicious and hurtful. I don't like church either, but there's a lot worse things people could be doing than trying to be a better person once a week.
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