Why do African Americans continue to practice Christianity if it was forced upon them during slavery

[luckyluchiano]

while there are some educational problems that can be directly linked to religion (see bible belt states and their school science curriculum), its hard to say that all problems in these highly religious areas are directly related and/or caused by religion 

Education system as a whole needs to be reformed. Learning about creation or dinosaurs still doesn't have anything to do with preparing kids to contribute to society. Kids should be learning programming, cosmetology, auto tech, etc in HS IMO .

 

[shoelyesses]

Bro shut up, United States is majority Christian, every city is majority Christian in the US, literally every negative stat you post you can find a positive stat and using your logic you can say the reason that stat is positive is because majority of the pop is Christian. Like you're really saying Detroit went under because of Christianity. I'm done bro, you got it.

um no first its majority cause one 50 percent of whites are Christians which isn a majority but would equate to majority of usa being Christian based do to majority of usa being majority white so........................... not seeing your point... and only 31% attend on a regular basis so..... still not majority... and again 83% of African americans are Christians/follow religious beliefs....

Asian americans are at the bottom of the totem pole... Who has the least amount of crime... who on average has the highest test scores so on and so forth..? who has the highest crimes... have the lowest scores...

Um where are majority of the strip clubs... bible belt... And again you still cannot name a place an area with all the things you said low crime high education etc... all the things you said and have a high rate of Christianity... CAUSE IT DOESNT EXIST..

again the if you wanna call it this top utopian areas in the world

denmark

sweden

luxembourg

hong kong

if religion and to be specific Christianity faired so well and is needed to achieve those very things you listed why is it they have in most part these things and are less then 12% Christianity? According to you logic it has know factor...

I don't even see your point... What are you saying... Christianity has no bearings no impact...if that's the case why even practice it? what is the purpose... nothing you have said has provided any concrete proof to which it has been a benefactor to African americans... If you say it does then provide proof evidence that it does improve and has advanced ppl of color? Either it has an effect/purpose or it doesn't... You haven't said either and haven't proved either... Outside of some story of 6 kids you know.. and saying oh well economics play a key role etc... ok and that is true... And we need air to live... Birds fly, fish swim... Ok and

How does that tie into A: Christianity is needed and a helpful tool in the advancement of African americans. Or B: isn't a factors to which if it isn't a factor or beneficiary then why should ppl practice it?

All this and still never stated or gave a answer/explanation to neither of the two. I could see if the question thread was how does economics role play in equality or advancement of ppl...but it isn't.. Its why a.a. practice a religion forced upon them, the advantages/disadvantages it has on a.a. as a whole... and not a single personal testimony, but a.a. at large to which you haven't said any thing remotely to the effect of either.

 

[sea manup]

 

while there are some educational problems that can be directly linked to religion (see bible belt states and their school science curriculum), its hard to say that all problems in these highly religious areas are directly related and/or caused by religion 

Education system as a whole needs to be reformed. Learning about creation or dinosaurs still doesn't have anything to do with preparing kids to contribute to society. Kids should be learning programming, cosmetology, auto tech, etc in HS IMO .

thats a topic for another thead, but there are schools that have programing and cosmetology classes. a major reason why not all public schools teach programming is because of funding, schools would need to hire teachers that know what they are talking about and possibly need to upgrade their computer systems to support the new curriculum. with public schools already being underfunded, adding new things to the curriculum probably isnt on top of many school's to do lists

 

[shoelyesses]

 
thats a topic for another thead, but there are schools that have programing and cosmetology classes. a major reason why not all public schools teach programming is because of funding, schools would need to hire teachers that know what they are talking about and possibly need to upgrade their computer systems to support the new curriculum. with public schools already being underfunded, adding new things to the curriculum probably isnt on top of many school's to do lists

that hasn't stopped them before... and about funding where is all the money going to...? and hello there is this thing we are on called the internet... a open source plethora of knowledge... what does funding have to do with that...surely if you got internet to post on facebook, instagram, look at world star hip hop you could.... I better stop that's to much like right and common sense...

 

[luckyluchiano]

thats a topic for another thead, but there are schools that have programing and cosmetology classes. a major reason why not all public schools teach programming is because of funding, schools would need to hire teachers that know what they are talking about and possibly need to upgrade their computer systems to support the new curriculum. with public schools already being underfunded, adding new things to the curriculum probably isnt on top of many school's to do lists

Meh that's why I feel as blacks we can open our own private schools in these struggling communities , that's another subject though.

 

[luckyluchiano]

that hasn't stopped them before... and about funding where is all the money going to...? and hello there is this thing we are on called the internet... a open source plethora of knowledge... what does funding have to do with that...surely if you got internet to post on facebook, instagram, look at world star hip hop you could.... I better stop that's to much like right and common sense...

Reading articles on how to program isn't formal training to prepare you of the needs of a specific business, unless you're talking some rinky dink help desk gig

 

[Coromanti]

 
LOL I'm gonna leave this map here cause this issue gets brought up too often in these threads. I'm convinced many people 1. Don't realize how HUGE Africa is, that's why they keep saying dumb sh like African culture 2. They don't understand where African slaves were taken from.

Notice where Egypt and Ethiopia are in relation to Gambia, Guinea, Benin etc. Ethiopian and Egyptian culture is far more similar to Middle Eastern culture than West African where most slaves taken to the new world were stolen from. Dudes are so quick to play the Egypt and Ethiopia card when they know nothing of Africa. Ethiopian Gods don't speak for the 1000 Gods in West African mythology.

 

[sea manup]

 

thats a topic for another thead, but there are schools that have programing and cosmetology classes. a major reason why not all public schools teach programming is because of funding, schools would need to hire teachers that know what they are talking about and possibly need to upgrade their computer systems to support the new curriculum. with public schools already being underfunded, adding new things to the curriculum probably isnt on top of many school's to do lists

Meh that's why I feel as blacks we can open our own private schools in these struggling communities , that's another subject though.

but without the help of the government (they own and run all public schools), who will pay for these schools?

i assume that when you say "as blacks we" you mean without the help of the government

 

[sharpshooter718]

have you looked at a map? Srs question.

in the middle east of Africa??.. or the middle west of Asia???

 

[thecoldest343]

I try to stay away from religion threads because no matter how the question is presented it tends to rile people whether they be anti-religion or die hard faith believers.

It was forced apon us like it was forced apon many over the hundreds of centuries ago but I want to know what religion wasn't and if it isn't Christianity what religion do we as African Americans turn to?Islam...?no they are no better than Christians,they enslaved,raped,pillage the village and killed in the name of Allah.
The only religion that I can say we can go back to is voodoo and thinks to certain people and propaganda that is attached to it,it literally is the devil in the room and sadly that how so many view it.Today it's practice all over the world,it might be called a different name,people might not believe in it but they do certain things that can be linked back to it like for example black people sometimes we tend to take the strands of hair from our combs and burn it in hopes that it doesn't bring bad luck to the person in which the hair belongs and a whole list of other things.That's another subject within itself
So in my opinion I say if you have to believe in something make sure you believe in whatever it is you want.

I rater be segregated and prospering then integrated and Oppressed

Segregation worked out better for us,economically,socially and politically but on the flipside integration got our black *** on the front of the bus,in schools and in places where the doors are open but we aren't always welcomed still to this day in 2014.But for some negro's just the idea of it is enough for them,they got interrogated integrated and that was it as if integration was the answer to all of our problems.I think The internet has done more in terms of integration goes,I for example am just Thecoldest343 you need not to know anything else but where the lines get blurry is when it comes to opinions,people get so hung up on that til they usually can't see pass that so they do what they would do anyways and that's put you in a box because the way it works is to think different is to be different but again That's another topic....

 

[luckyluchiano]

but without the help of the government (they own and run all public schools), who will pay for these schools?

i assume that when you say "as blacks we" you mean without the help of the government

Yes same way Catholics,Mormons, Jewish etc open private schools I don't see why blacks as a collective couldn't create private schools in which we produce talent to ten work for black owned businesses. This is of course after strong black communities are created.

And to the map of Africa post, dudes do know that many of the groups in west Africa migrated from East Africa right? Lol. Many coastal west African tribes have origins in Sudan

 

[sea manup]

how the hell was segregation better for black people economically? 

 

[luckyluchiano]

how the hell was segregation better for black people economically? 

M
Black Wall Street and Harlem are obvious examples. When has there been a prominent black community post segregation?

 

[createdestroy]

lol@all the religious and racial extremists who come out in these threads.... I'm glad none of you hold any real position of power

 

[patrick bateman]

how the hell was segregation better for black people economically? 

 

[str8drop]

And like I said name any area of the world that has a high rate of Christianity, that has a high rate of education and a great/good booming economic system... You keep saying it has nothing to do with it... but yet cannot name one place on area in the entire world that has those very things you list and also have a high rate of Christianity.

So when you say all those things and most as far as advancement goes I agree... and say it has nothing to do with Christianity... yet everywhere in which has all those factors aren't heavily Christian or have no practice at all... And then every place that has heavy influence high practice of Christianity lack all of those things. It makes it hard to prove/disprove it isn't an contributing factor.

I wasn't even gonna entertain you because you do the same exact thing in every thread like this

But just for ***** and giggles Finland, Switzerland, and Australia have some of the best education systems in the world and they're majority Christian

 

[luckyluchiano]

lol@all the religious and racial extremists who come out in these threads.... I'm glad none of you hold any real position of power

Meh maybe if we were extreme then we would be in a better place now

 

[createdestroy]

lol@all the religious and racial extremists who come out in these threads.... I'm glad none of you hold any real position of power

Meh maybe if we were extreme then we would be in a better place now

the mere fact that you defend extremist views with a statement starting with "meh maybe".. shows how much actual thought you've put into your position

 

[sea manup]

 

how the hell was segregation better for black people economically? 

M
Black Wall Street and Harlem are obvious examples. When has there been a prominent black community post segregation?

i guess if thats the way you define it, post segregation successful african americans tend to move out of their old neighborhoods and buy houses in rich neighborhoods. back then segregation kept the successful african americans from moving out which resulted in more prominent black communities. i would say theres a greater wealth gap today which creates interracial divide but african americans have a higher chance to achieve economic prominence than they did back in the days of segregation. 

 

[frankmatthews]

The problem with your facts and stats is that they address the actions of people, not the tenets of being a Christian. In my earlier posts, I explained what it's really about. We can't control peoples actions. They don't understand what they're doing and they make it look bad by putting their actions in God's name. That doesn't mean that Christianity is bad. If I mod my honda and illegally street race, it doesn't make honda a bad company.

Heres the thing tho, and this is just me being skeptical. But it seems very possible that the organization of the entire religion, from its inception, is people doing things they dont understand and putting it in gods name and making it look bad. Ultimately everything you've ever known about Christianity is peoples words put in gods name.

I'm ignorant because in all of my life I have never met a non black woman I am attracted to? I'm ignorant because if I watch white porn I do not get turned on? You can't force your standards on me bro. I love black women, I am a black man. Not once have I stated I hate women of other races. Essentially you could say I'm a homophobe because I'm not sexually attracted to men using your logic. How am I ignorant because by nature I have yet to see a white woman that does anything for me?

First of all im not trying to attack you or call you ignorant. What im essentially saying is that your nature is wrong. I can select 10 females that 99% of the male population finds at least marginally attractive and what u are saying is that not one of them will be attractive to you based solely on their skin color. If that is really true then you have some deep seeded negativity along racial lines in your past. Im honestly not surprised. I am surprised more black folks dont harbor that same attitude, particularly older generations.

 

[luckyluchiano]

the mere fact that you defend extremist views with a statement starting with "meh maybe".. shows how much actual thought you've put into your position

lol I'm extremist because I want to see blacks prosper. People like you are why we are where we are now.

 

[luckyluchiano]

Heres the thing tho, and this is just me being skeptical. But it seems very possible that the organization of the entire religion, from its inception, is people doing things and putting it in gods name and making it look bad. Ultimately everything you've ever known about Christianity is peoples words put in gods name.
First of all im not trying to attack you or call you ignorant. What im essentially saying is that your nature is wrong. I can select 10 females that 99% of the male population finds at least marginally attractive and what u are saying is that not one of them will be attractive to you based solely on their skin color. If that is really true then you have some deep seeded negativity along racial lines in your past. Im honestly not surprised. I am surprised more black folks dont harbor that same attitude, particularly older generations.

I'm not 99% of the male pop though, I'm me. Skin color isn't the only features that differentiate race. There are black women the same color as white women yet have different facial features. Never said anything about skin color. Not being attracted to white women in general is not the same as saying I only date light skin women and you know that. You're literally telling me I'm wrong because I may not find a woman attractive that you and 10 other dudes may.

 

[luckyluchiano]

i guess if thats the way you define it, post segregation successful african americans tend to move out of their old neighborhoods and buy houses in rich neighborhoods. back then segregation kept the successful african americans from moving out which resulted in more prominent black communities. i would say theres a greater wealth gap today which creates interracial divide but african americans have a higher chance to achieve economic prominence than they did back in the days of segregation. 

Blacks today define success as being accepted by the rich elite. I wouldn rather is build out own wealthy communities if that's what you want opposed to trying to move to rich white communities and be neighbors with people who don't accept us and feel we are dropping the property value

 

[luckyluchiano]

Same dudes calling me an extremist for saying blacks need to fall back and work on ourself as a whole will post in a thread about Chicago gang violence talking smack about how blacks in the ghetto are lazy and need to improve. I don't even try to explain stuff to these types because these are te type of people who destroy movements from the inside.

 

[Chiron]

I just want to say that Niketalk is a beautiful place that allows some of these things to be flushed out in debate and discussion. 

Just think... Years ago and even today in some countries, we would be criminals for even discussing this.

Religion is a very sensitive topic for people, especially people of color. As long as we strive to lift up one another I think we are doing great. And Niketalk definitely strives to lift up one another. This thread will likely die out or get locked, but in another 6 months someone will make another one. Information will get rehashed, it might go a little smoother, and maybe someday nike will be one thread closer to finding a solution for world peace 

 

I'm overcome with the spirit. Reps for everyone participating