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Been on NT for yeeeeaars...but I see your point. It's not like I'm trolling or saying this just to say it. What purpose would I have to say "Lebron James doesn't have a good first step" to get laughs from NT? I just think dude's weaknesses are so apparent, yet it feels like people aren't educated enough to know the differences or just go with what they hear or think because it's the easy thing to do (Which is why there's such a wide range of opinions). I just don't feel like Lebron is that good of a pure scorer...therefore I can't call him the best in the game. He's one of the best at his position, but that's as far as I can go.Originally Posted by ThrowedInDaGame
31 post....not a good way to start off your NT career.
Been on NT for yeeeeaars...but I see your point. It's not like I'm trolling or saying this just to say it. What purpose would I have to say "Lebron James doesn't have a good first step" to get laughs from NT? I just think dude's weaknesses are so apparent, yet it feels like people aren't educated enough to know the differences or just go with what they hear or think because it's the easy thing to do (Which is why there's such a wide range of opinions). I just don't feel like Lebron is that good of a pure scorer...therefore I can't call him the best in the game. He's one of the best at his position, but that's as far as I can go.Originally Posted by ThrowedInDaGame
31 post....not a good way to start off your NT career.
so who's better than him?Originally Posted by 4Shoposite
Been on NT for yeeeeaars...but I see your point. It's not like I'm trolling or saying this just to say it. What purpose would I have to say "Lebron James doesn't have a good first step" to get laughs from NT? I just think dude's weaknesses are so apparent, yet it feels like people aren't educated enough to know the differences or just go with what they hear or think because it's the easy thing to do (Which is why there's such a wide range of opinions). I just don't feel like Lebron is that good of a pure scorer...therefore I can't call him the best in the game. He's one of the best at his position, but that's as far as I can go.Originally Posted by ThrowedInDaGame
31 post....not a good way to start off your NT career.
so who's better than him?Originally Posted by 4Shoposite
Been on NT for yeeeeaars...but I see your point. It's not like I'm trolling or saying this just to say it. What purpose would I have to say "Lebron James doesn't have a good first step" to get laughs from NT? I just think dude's weaknesses are so apparent, yet it feels like people aren't educated enough to know the differences or just go with what they hear or think because it's the easy thing to do (Which is why there's such a wide range of opinions). I just don't feel like Lebron is that good of a pure scorer...therefore I can't call him the best in the game. He's one of the best at his position, but that's as far as I can go.Originally Posted by ThrowedInDaGame
31 post....not a good way to start off your NT career.
It's not about being better or the stats. If you want to say that because Lebron is so good at everything else and that's why he's the best...then fine. I can't argue with what you feel is important to you. To me, assist and rebounds are important, but I don't hold too much weight into those just by looking at the statistics. Andre Miller is the king of cheap assist. Adonyl Foyle used to be the King of cheap Rebounds. Those stats can be attributed to 'the right play' or the 'stat that's just there' sometimes. Players I'd rather build my team around: Rose, Wade, Kobe (especially prime Kobe), a younger Paul Pierce (Dude's offensive game was so underrated. I think he low key striked fear in more defenders hearts than everybody except Kobe. He just couldn't pass the ball too well). Everybody else perimeter wise is on Lebron's level. Durant is a great young player, but sometimes I watch him and can't make up my mind yet. If he's going for the Reggie Miller type of scoring...then I think he's dependable. Sometimes your outside shot can just be that good...but Durant doesn't have that good of a slashing ability for my taste. I'm still trying to make up my mind about Durant. I like Melo...I really do. The one thing that holds him back to me is that he has the mentality of a scorer with the domination ability of someone who likes to go through the motions. Sometimes I feel like he just doesn't like to always put his mark on the game.Originally Posted by nyk buc
so who's better than him?
it's not just ESPN. ask coaches/GMs... lebron's the best player in the L. hell, you make a poll on NT and lebron will win that poll, despite all the hate.
you can't deny a guy who puts up 27, 8, 7 on 51%fg.
It's not about being better or the stats. If you want to say that because Lebron is so good at everything else and that's why he's the best...then fine. I can't argue with what you feel is important to you. To me, assist and rebounds are important, but I don't hold too much weight into those just by looking at the statistics. Andre Miller is the king of cheap assist. Adonyl Foyle used to be the King of cheap Rebounds. Those stats can be attributed to 'the right play' or the 'stat that's just there' sometimes. Players I'd rather build my team around: Rose, Wade, Kobe (especially prime Kobe), a younger Paul Pierce (Dude's offensive game was so underrated. I think he low key striked fear in more defenders hearts than everybody except Kobe. He just couldn't pass the ball too well). Everybody else perimeter wise is on Lebron's level. Durant is a great young player, but sometimes I watch him and can't make up my mind yet. If he's going for the Reggie Miller type of scoring...then I think he's dependable. Sometimes your outside shot can just be that good...but Durant doesn't have that good of a slashing ability for my taste. I'm still trying to make up my mind about Durant. I like Melo...I really do. The one thing that holds him back to me is that he has the mentality of a scorer with the domination ability of someone who likes to go through the motions. Sometimes I feel like he just doesn't like to always put his mark on the game.Originally Posted by nyk buc
so who's better than him?
it's not just ESPN. ask coaches/GMs... lebron's the best player in the L. hell, you make a poll on NT and lebron will win that poll, despite all the hate.
you can't deny a guy who puts up 27, 8, 7 on 51%fg.
abovelegit1 wrote:
It's like arguing with a wall. LeBron does have a great first step. Period. Just because he doesn't get the separation of Derrick Rose, doesn't mean it isn't great. It's all relative, you need to compare his first step to other 260+ pounders. In case you didn't take high school physics, acceleration = force / mass. Since mass is the denominator, as mass approaches infinity, acceleration approaches zero. As you can see, a guy's mass inversely correlates towards his burst, so why compare LeBron's first step to guys who weigh 50 pounds less than him? How many 260+ pounders have a better first step than LeBron? Don't know anyone off the top of my head, so obviously he does have a great first step, relative to his weight, which is the only way to look at it.
So not only are you wrong, but your whole point is irrelevant anyway, because no player is perfect. How pointless would it be to make a thread about Jordan not being the greatest because he didn't have great range? Exactly.
Please re-read all of my post in this thread.
My post are like the Bible. Everything you say - I have explained before...you just have to go reread how I explained it. The problem with Lebron is that at his size/weight...whatever you want to call it, the way he scores is not how other people his size scores. Lebron scores like a player who thinks he can beat his man one on one everytime. He simply can't. Lebron needs a consistent pick.�The player Lebron reminds me most of on the offensive end is Charles Barkley...Barkley just didn't know how�or want to�be a dribbler in the pick and role. Every other part of his game is the exact same way Lebron scores. Charles was a great player...just like Lebron is. But he wasn't the best player in the league. I mentioned it in my first post...if Lebron develops a post game...then maybe he might be more dependable in the halfcourt set - but he still won't be that dependable in critical situations because of the ease of doubleteaming. But that's what Lebron has to do. He has to either create a post game and really become like Chuck (Have another guy create and be the guy creating off the dribble ala KJ)...or own up to being a 2nd banana and become a pointguard who isn't a guy you can say "ok, be a closer". Turn into a tall Deron Williams of some sort.
I mentioned the Utah game earlier. Look at�the clip i posted above this writing (dont know how to put it where i want it). Look at the difference in Lebron's confidence when he realizes he can beat AK47. It's like night and day. Look how dominating he looks. This is a�very very very rare occurance. He's almost a different player.
Michael Jordan didn't have great range in the three...but he could hit it. But regardless of that - MJ didn't rely on 3s that much in critical situations so it's a mute point...and that's a great thing. You know who does?......
I will continue to edit my post because I don't want to go over the limit like I did the other day.
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abovelegit1 wrote:
It's like arguing with a wall. LeBron does have a great first step. Period. Just because he doesn't get the separation of Derrick Rose, doesn't mean it isn't great. It's all relative, you need to compare his first step to other 260+ pounders. In case you didn't take high school physics, acceleration = force / mass. Since mass is the denominator, as mass approaches infinity, acceleration approaches zero. As you can see, a guy's mass inversely correlates towards his burst, so why compare LeBron's first step to guys who weigh 50 pounds less than him? How many 260+ pounders have a better first step than LeBron? Don't know anyone off the top of my head, so obviously he does have a great first step, relative to his weight, which is the only way to look at it.
So not only are you wrong, but your whole point is irrelevant anyway, because no player is perfect. How pointless would it be to make a thread about Jordan not being the greatest because he didn't have great range? Exactly.
Please re-read all of my post in this thread.
My post are like the Bible. Everything you say - I have explained before...you just have to go reread how I explained it. The problem with Lebron is that at his size/weight...whatever you want to call it, the way he scores is not how other people his size scores. Lebron scores like a player who thinks he can beat his man one on one everytime. He simply can't. Lebron needs a consistent pick.�The player Lebron reminds me most of on the offensive end is Charles Barkley...Barkley just didn't know how�or want to�be a dribbler in the pick and role. Every other part of his game is the exact same way Lebron scores. Charles was a great player...just like Lebron is. But he wasn't the best player in the league. I mentioned it in my first post...if Lebron develops a post game...then maybe he might be more dependable in the halfcourt set - but he still won't be that dependable in critical situations because of the ease of doubleteaming. But that's what Lebron has to do. He has to either create a post game and really become like Chuck (Have another guy create and be the guy creating off the dribble ala KJ)...or own up to being a 2nd banana and become a pointguard who isn't a guy you can say "ok, be a closer". Turn into a tall Deron Williams of some sort.
I mentioned the Utah game earlier. Look at�the clip i posted above this writing (dont know how to put it where i want it). Look at the difference in Lebron's confidence when he realizes he can beat AK47. It's like night and day. Look how dominating he looks. This is a�very very very rare occurance. He's almost a different player.
Michael Jordan didn't have great range in the three...but he could hit it. But regardless of that - MJ didn't rely on 3s that much in critical situations so it's a mute point...and that's a great thing. You know who does?......
I will continue to edit my post because I don't want to go over the limit like I did the other day.
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Originally Posted by 4Shoposite
abovelegit1 wrote:
It's like arguing with a wall. LeBron does have a great first step. Period. Just because he doesn't get the separation of Derrick Rose, doesn't mean it isn't great. It's all relative, you need to compare his first step to other 260+ pounders. In case you didn't take high school physics, acceleration = force / mass. Since mass is the denominator, as mass approaches infinity, acceleration approaches zero. As you can see, a guy's mass inversely correlates towards his burst, so why compare LeBron's first step to guys who weigh 50 pounds less than him? How many 260+ pounders have a better first step than LeBron? Don't know anyone off the top of my head, so obviously he does have a great first step, relative to his weight, which is the only way to look at it.
So not only are you wrong, but your whole point is irrelevant anyway, because no player is perfect. How pointless would it be to make a thread about Jordan not being the greatest because he didn't have great range? Exactly.
My post are like the Bible
Originally Posted by 4Shoposite
abovelegit1 wrote:
It's like arguing with a wall. LeBron does have a great first step. Period. Just because he doesn't get the separation of Derrick Rose, doesn't mean it isn't great. It's all relative, you need to compare his first step to other 260+ pounders. In case you didn't take high school physics, acceleration = force / mass. Since mass is the denominator, as mass approaches infinity, acceleration approaches zero. As you can see, a guy's mass inversely correlates towards his burst, so why compare LeBron's first step to guys who weigh 50 pounds less than him? How many 260+ pounders have a better first step than LeBron? Don't know anyone off the top of my head, so obviously he does have a great first step, relative to his weight, which is the only way to look at it.
So not only are you wrong, but your whole point is irrelevant anyway, because no player is perfect. How pointless would it be to make a thread about Jordan not being the greatest because he didn't have great range? Exactly.
My post are like the Bible
Originally Posted by abovelegit1
The original point of contention was whether or not LeBron had a great first step, and like I said he does relative to his size, and can beat people consistently anyway evidenced by his shooting percentages in isolations situations, while you were saying he does not and cannot. But if you want to argue he should vary his scoring opportunities in half court settings, then I might agree with that to a certain extent.
You corny.
Mad cause cats actually seeing what I'm talking about and things are just unraveling before your eyesI keep it 100% real about all my basketball opinions. I call it like I see it...whether it's Lebron, Kobe, or anyone else. No biased with me.