Why don't sportcasters keep it real about Lebron?

[knightngale]

he uses his strength and speed...dude is not really quick but that is widely known

he will fall off hard once his body  starts breaking down a la kobe...same thing with wade...they are 90% athleticism and 10% skill

and dont bring up kobes jumper in comparison because dude has not been the same since jason kidd messed up his fingers in 2008

 

[hood17]

Originally Posted by DaComeUP

 

[mjvskb24vs23]

Originally Posted by knightngale

he uses his strength and speed...dude is not really quick but that is widely known

he will fall off hard once his body  starts breaking down a la kobe...same thing with wade...they are 90% athleticism and 10% skill

and dont bring up kobes jumper in comparison because dude has not been the same since jason kidd messed up his fingers in 2008

that's just stupid. Only 10% skill

 

[mjvskb24vs23]

Originally Posted by knightngale

he uses his strength and speed...dude is not really quick but that is widely known

he will fall off hard once his body  starts breaking down a la kobe...same thing with wade...they are 90% athleticism and 10% skill

and dont bring up kobes jumper in comparison because dude has not been the same since jason kidd messed up his fingers in 2008

that's just stupid. Only 10% skill

 

[4shoposite]

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by 4Shoposite

Originally Posted by Dade B0Y


Eh. Last time I checked, picks and screens are apart of basketball. And plently of players make use of them. Okay, so LeBron isn't the most elusive or creative player as far as attacking a set defense in the half court, so he uses a high screen to get into the teeth of the lane.  And? That's basketball.

 C'mon son. The premise of this thread is just stupid.

I think it's more important than people give it credit for...but you are right, it's apart of the game.

But this is why:

For a scorer - who's looking to score for his team in critical situations - pick and roll is normally useless in critical situations unless the plan is to pass the ball out to another player. if that's the plan - then great. But "normally"...you can't get a shot off for yourself using a pick and roll in critical situations unless you pull up for a outside jumper. ala John Stockton/Mike Bibby in his prime.

Beating your man solidly one on one gives you the better option to score for yourself and still be able to pass the ball out. That's why whenever I see a player call for a high screen in clutch situations, I then know that they too and their coach even realize their weakness. Let me repeat there is no benefit in a star player calling for a pick in critical situations other than to pass the ball out.

Dude you really and seriously going to lord your basketball knowledge over people and go ahead and say this. Pick and rolls forces the defense to make more difficult rotatations, opens up way more options,  the either for the ball handler or the pick setter. You can get s switch also exploit the match up from there,  ask that boy Kemba Walker as he took that dudes whole existence away for the game winner because he switched on the pick and roll

plus lebron james for the past two years has scored the most crunch time points per game, his scoring improves drastically in the playoffs, then theres the whole 48 points in detroit, 45 points in the garden thing.

smh

 Believe what you want. I'm trying to put you on to game. Trust me, I too used to be in denial but I started really watching for myself and started seeing what was important in NBA basketball.

In game critical situations - a pick does not hold more weight than a player who can outright beat his man and get a shot for his self.

The problem with Lebron (other than his lack of first step) is that on critical situations - given the circumstances - a large range of players can indeed guard and hold their on. Instead of a compliment...i think it's an insult for a coach to switch to a larger player. But I've seen athletic bigs like Noah actually hold their on against Lebron to the point where he STILL can't get off a good seperational shot.

You wanna know the difference between having a great first step and not. IMHO - the Bulls won yesterday's game because of one particular play that highlighted why Rose is so deadly in the closing. He downright murdered Jameer by blowing past him and set up a easy bucket and foul (i believe) for Boozer. That's the type of confidence and situation that Lebron consistently can't put his team in.


  

 

[4shoposite]

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by 4Shoposite

Originally Posted by Dade B0Y


Eh. Last time I checked, picks and screens are apart of basketball. And plently of players make use of them. Okay, so LeBron isn't the most elusive or creative player as far as attacking a set defense in the half court, so he uses a high screen to get into the teeth of the lane.  And? That's basketball.

 C'mon son. The premise of this thread is just stupid.

I think it's more important than people give it credit for...but you are right, it's apart of the game.

But this is why:

For a scorer - who's looking to score for his team in critical situations - pick and roll is normally useless in critical situations unless the plan is to pass the ball out to another player. if that's the plan - then great. But "normally"...you can't get a shot off for yourself using a pick and roll in critical situations unless you pull up for a outside jumper. ala John Stockton/Mike Bibby in his prime.

Beating your man solidly one on one gives you the better option to score for yourself and still be able to pass the ball out. That's why whenever I see a player call for a high screen in clutch situations, I then know that they too and their coach even realize their weakness. Let me repeat there is no benefit in a star player calling for a pick in critical situations other than to pass the ball out.

Dude you really and seriously going to lord your basketball knowledge over people and go ahead and say this. Pick and rolls forces the defense to make more difficult rotatations, opens up way more options,  the either for the ball handler or the pick setter. You can get s switch also exploit the match up from there,  ask that boy Kemba Walker as he took that dudes whole existence away for the game winner because he switched on the pick and roll

plus lebron james for the past two years has scored the most crunch time points per game, his scoring improves drastically in the playoffs, then theres the whole 48 points in detroit, 45 points in the garden thing.

smh

 Believe what you want. I'm trying to put you on to game. Trust me, I too used to be in denial but I started really watching for myself and started seeing what was important in NBA basketball.

In game critical situations - a pick does not hold more weight than a player who can outright beat his man and get a shot for his self.

The problem with Lebron (other than his lack of first step) is that on critical situations - given the circumstances - a large range of players can indeed guard and hold their on. Instead of a compliment...i think it's an insult for a coach to switch to a larger player. But I've seen athletic bigs like Noah actually hold their on against Lebron to the point where he STILL can't get off a good seperational shot.

You wanna know the difference between having a great first step and not. IMHO - the Bulls won yesterday's game because of one particular play that highlighted why Rose is so deadly in the closing. He downright murdered Jameer by blowing past him and set up a easy bucket and foul (i believe) for Boozer. That's the type of confidence and situation that Lebron consistently can't put his team in.


  

 

[lukethejediknight]

*waits for people to come in here with stats*

Oh right! You mean the people who can actually PROVIDE PROOF instead of tell everyone to "watch the games"?

LBJ: among the league leaders in clutch production every season, has outshot players like Wade and Kobe in last 24 sec situations with more assists over his career. Yup, the same dude who apparently can't drive by his man and can't "close" like other players

The info is at your disposal "watch the games" fans. It's up to you to use it.

 

[lukethejediknight]

*waits for people to come in here with stats*

Oh right! You mean the people who can actually PROVIDE PROOF instead of tell everyone to "watch the games"?

LBJ: among the league leaders in clutch production every season, has outshot players like Wade and Kobe in last 24 sec situations with more assists over his career. Yup, the same dude who apparently can't drive by his man and can't "close" like other players

The info is at your disposal "watch the games" fans. It's up to you to use it.

 

[xsalvioutlawx]

Originally Posted by knightngale

he uses his strength and speed...dude is not really quick but that is widely known

he will fall off hard once his body  starts breaking down a la kobe...same thing with wade...they are 90% athleticism and 10% skill

and dont bring up kobes jumper in comparison because dude has not been the same since jason kidd messed up his fingers in 2008

I dono about wade, but you're spot on about Lebron.

He is pretty much all athleticsm. He's like 6'10 300 pounds and has one of the worst Post games in the NBA.

Don't get me wrong, Bron is unstoppable going to the hole, but dude has horrible foot work and a post game and other things that rely on actual skill.

I'm sure he doesn't care though, too busy making movies during the off season etc.

 

[xsalvioutlawx]

Originally Posted by knightngale

he uses his strength and speed...dude is not really quick but that is widely known

he will fall off hard once his body  starts breaking down a la kobe...same thing with wade...they are 90% athleticism and 10% skill

and dont bring up kobes jumper in comparison because dude has not been the same since jason kidd messed up his fingers in 2008

I dono about wade, but you're spot on about Lebron.

He is pretty much all athleticsm. He's like 6'10 300 pounds and has one of the worst Post games in the NBA.

Don't get me wrong, Bron is unstoppable going to the hole, but dude has horrible foot work and a post game and other things that rely on actual skill.

I'm sure he doesn't care though, too busy making movies during the off season etc.

 

[seymore cake]

Common Sense Isn't Really That Common.

 

[seymore cake]

Common Sense Isn't Really That Common.

 

[swyftdahoe]

LeBron is P4P the best fluke scorer in the history of the game. That's definitely something to be proud of.

 

[swyftdahoe]

LeBron is P4P the best fluke scorer in the history of the game. That's definitely something to be proud of.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Originally Posted by 4Shoposite

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by 4Shoposite



I think it's more important than people give it credit for...but you are right, it's apart of the game.

But this is why:

For a scorer - who's looking to score for his team in critical situations - pick and roll is normally useless in critical situations unless the plan is to pass the ball out to another player. if that's the plan - then great. But "normally"...you can't get a shot off for yourself using a pick and roll in critical situations unless you pull up for a outside jumper. ala John Stockton/Mike Bibby in his prime.

Beating your man solidly one on one gives you the better option to score for yourself and still be able to pass the ball out. That's why whenever I see a player call for a high screen in clutch situations, I then know that they too and their coach even realize their weakness. Let me repeat there is no benefit in a star player calling for a pick in critical situations other than to pass the ball out.

Dude you really and seriously going to lord your basketball knowledge over people and go ahead and say this. Pick and rolls forces the defense to make more difficult rotatations, opens up way more options,  the either for the ball handler or the pick setter. You can get s switch also exploit the match up from there,  ask that boy Kemba Walker as he took that dudes whole existence away for the game winner because he switched on the pick and roll

plus lebron james for the past two years has scored the most crunch time points per game, his scoring improves drastically in the playoffs, then theres the whole 48 points in detroit, 45 points in the garden thing.

smh

 Believe what you want. I'm trying to put you on to game. Trust me, I too used to be in denial but I started really watching for myself and started seeing what was important in NBA basketball.

In game critical situations - a pick does not hold more weight than a player who can outright beat his man and get a shot for his self.




  

are you Mike Woodson?

 

[addict4sneakers]

Originally Posted by 4Shoposite

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by 4Shoposite



I think it's more important than people give it credit for...but you are right, it's apart of the game.

But this is why:

For a scorer - who's looking to score for his team in critical situations - pick and roll is normally useless in critical situations unless the plan is to pass the ball out to another player. if that's the plan - then great. But "normally"...you can't get a shot off for yourself using a pick and roll in critical situations unless you pull up for a outside jumper. ala John Stockton/Mike Bibby in his prime.

Beating your man solidly one on one gives you the better option to score for yourself and still be able to pass the ball out. That's why whenever I see a player call for a high screen in clutch situations, I then know that they too and their coach even realize their weakness. Let me repeat there is no benefit in a star player calling for a pick in critical situations other than to pass the ball out.

Dude you really and seriously going to lord your basketball knowledge over people and go ahead and say this. Pick and rolls forces the defense to make more difficult rotatations, opens up way more options,  the either for the ball handler or the pick setter. You can get s switch also exploit the match up from there,  ask that boy Kemba Walker as he took that dudes whole existence away for the game winner because he switched on the pick and roll

plus lebron james for the past two years has scored the most crunch time points per game, his scoring improves drastically in the playoffs, then theres the whole 48 points in detroit, 45 points in the garden thing.

smh

 Believe what you want. I'm trying to put you on to game. Trust me, I too used to be in denial but I started really watching for myself and started seeing what was important in NBA basketball.

In game critical situations - a pick does not hold more weight than a player who can outright beat his man and get a shot for his self.




  

are you Mike Woodson?

 

[bigtimejerky]

Its called a jab step.
His "first step" is considered elite because he knows how to get his defender guessing and off balance... Only players that should have a quick "first step" are 6 ft. point guards.

 

[bigtimejerky]

Its called a jab step.
His "first step" is considered elite because he knows how to get his defender guessing and off balance... Only players that should have a quick "first step" are 6 ft. point guards.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

This thread should be locked.

At best your point is irrelevant becuase besides this year Lebron scored more points than anyone in crunch time at worst it's assinine.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

This thread should be locked.

At best your point is irrelevant becuase besides this year Lebron scored more points than anyone in crunch time at worst it's assinine.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I'm surprised people are really having a debate with dude.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I'm surprised people are really having a debate with dude.

 

[4shoposite]

Originally Posted by bigtimejerky

Its called a jab step.
His "first step" is considered elite because he knows how to get his defender guessing and off balance... Only players that should have a quick "first step" are 6 ft. point guards.

6'8". Even Pippen said he didn't know how to properly stay in front of him.

I'm surprised people are really having a debate with dude. 
The only starting player in the league I have seen Lebron comfortable enough to beat one on one is AK47. If you Bron fans want something to be happy about...but also see the difference in a player he is when he realizes he can beat his man...youtube a Jazz game. Only starting player at his position I have seen him truly comfortable against in the halfcourt.
  

 

[4shoposite]

Originally Posted by bigtimejerky

Its called a jab step.
His "first step" is considered elite because he knows how to get his defender guessing and off balance... Only players that should have a quick "first step" are 6 ft. point guards.

6'8". Even Pippen said he didn't know how to properly stay in front of him.

I'm surprised people are really having a debate with dude. 
The only starting player in the league I have seen Lebron comfortable enough to beat one on one is AK47. If you Bron fans want something to be happy about...but also see the difference in a player he is when he realizes he can beat his man...youtube a Jazz game. Only starting player at his position I have seen him truly comfortable against in the halfcourt.
  

 

[4shoposite]

 
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