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The pedestal some put jay-z on is comical.
As double j's said it best. I look at him as a rapper and nothing else. I don't expect him to be some super charitable figure but at the same time I don't take him seriously when it comes to issues of importance either.
it doesnt matter what ether was filled with
the track had Jay sobbing on live radio, Nas won
Yea we see how bad it impacted hovs career..
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I Think alot of dudes really have put JAY on a super high pedestal & its pretty sad the excuses for him biting off BIGGIE, Losing the Battle to NAS etc.. I was & still am a huge JAY fan but facts is facts this is hiphop.. Its like some of these dudes takes when he calls himself "god MC" literal like "HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT HOV" GTF outta here man this dude is just a sucessful rapper nothing more nothing less...But JAY is running on fumes man I really noticed when RIHANNA'S "TALK THAT TALK" come out anybody hear how awful the verse was?? & what about "HOLY GRAIL" 1st verse "BLU TOLD ME REMIND YA'LL ****** **** THAT **** YA'LL TALKIN I'M THAT *****" I was like [emoji]128528[/emoji][emoji]128528[/emoji][emoji]128528[/emoji][emoji]128528[/emoji] that had to be the corniest line of this year...
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I Think alot of dudes really have put JAY on a super high pedestal & its pretty sad the excuses for him biting off BIGGIE, Losing the Battle to NAS etc.. I was & still am a huge JAY fan but facts is facts this is hiphop.. Its like some of these dudes takes when he calls himself "god MC" literal like "HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ABOUT HOV" GTF outta here man this dude is just a sucessful rapper nothing more nothing less...But JAY is running on fumes man I really noticed when RIHANNA'S "TALK THAT TALK" come out anybody hear how awful the verse was?? & what about "HOLY GRAIL" 1st verse "BLU TOLD ME REMIND YA'LL ****** **** THAT **** YA'LL TALKIN I'M THAT *****" I was like [emoji]128528[/emoji][emoji]128528[/emoji][emoji]128528[/emoji][emoji]128528[/emoji] that had to be the corniest line of this year...
agreed. i personally don't respect any person with vast wealth who do little to nothing to better society, especially when the economic disparities are increasing between rich and poor. NYC, the gap is the biggest and has been increasing every year.
being rich and not giving a **** about people is one thing. but if ur rich and repping a city all the time publicly, but don't do **** for that city, that commands little respect imo.
and im not even talking about buying new computers for a classroom n **** and getting some press coverage to better your public image...im talking about real impact. like work with the city to create more after school programs, create a REAL scholarship program that helps kids study something meaningful (STEM field). a kid who graduates an engineer is the best ROI you could ever ask for.
dude is worth half a billion dollars, and prolly close to a billy with beyonce. and now that i think about it, he sort of has this yeezy mentality, where he just wants a seat at the table with those who have, and not give a **** about those who don't. that lowkey house negro mentality...
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nothing wrong with being rich. i support a capitalist economy although i don't have anything against a socialist one either, word to cuba. but there is only so much u can do with money to live it up. help a brotha out, word to warren buffet and his notion of too much money to spend.
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You're 100% spot on but here's my thing.....
There are zero, count 'em zero black American male billionaires.
And only one black American billionaire.
So honestly? I can't knock him. People EXPECT him to start divvying up that pie before he's like these rich white bankers. How many ******g decades did it take before these rich white men start to give back? How many years did they and their families spend exploiting the system before they gave back? Hell rich Jewish dudes don't even put their money back into American inner-citties, guys like Sheldon Adelson give their money STRICTLY to Israel.
Why suddenly does Jay got to be held to a different standard? Because all along he acted like he'd be different? O rly, I guess in all that self-promoting, self-righteous rap he spit all his career must've gone over a lot of heads. He never promised none of that, this isn't Nas, this is Jay.
Maybe when he's got 3 billion in the bank he'll start giving back but until then I can't honestly knock him for exploiting his own fan-base until he gets there. I mean damn it, it's the god damned American way. Hell white people exploit their own, white women have been exploited by white men for decades. As long as the hood is enamored with Jay-Z he's going to continue to get this money.
In 2010, Jay-Z only reportedly donated $6,431 of his $63 million earnings to his own Shawn Carter Scholarship Fund, and Beyonce is being drawn into the mix too. Out of the $87 million she earned in 2010, not a single penny went to her husband's foundation.
Dude a few posts above talking about "hating" sounds silly.
Jay-z the person and jay-z the rapper aside how is it "hating" stating a personal opinion that alot of his recent work post black album has been subpar. That doesn't take away from the fact he put out classic albums before that but in my view and the views of alot of other people his recent work has been subpar.
The term/s "Hater/Hating" as a whole are weak.
Calling a lame dude lame now is "hating". Where once upon a time, it was just perceptive.
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agreed. i personally don't respect any person with vast wealth who do little to nothing to better society, especially when the economic disparities are increasing between rich and poor. NYC, the gap is the biggest and has been increasing every year.
being rich and not giving a **** about people is one thing. but if ur rich and repping a city all the time publicly, but don't do **** for that city, that commands little respect imo.
and im not even talking about buying new computers for a classroom n **** and getting some press coverage to better your public image...im talking about real impact. like work with the city to create more after school programs, create a REAL scholarship program that helps kids study something meaningful (STEM field). a kid who graduates an engineer is the best ROI you could ever ask for.
dude is worth half a billion dollars, and prolly close to a billy with beyonce. and now that i think about it, he sort of has this yeezy mentality, where he just wants a seat at the table with those who have, and not give a **** about those who don't. that lowkey house negro mentality...
nothing wrong with being rich. i support a capitalist economy although i don't have anything against a socialist one either, word to cuba. but there is only so much u can do with money to live it up. help a brotha out, word to warren buffet and his notion of too much money to spend.
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i have a problem with this
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You're 100% spot on but here's my thing.....
There are zero, count 'em zero black American male billionaires.
And only one black American billionaire.
So honestly? I can't knock him. People EXPECT him to start divvying up that pie before he's like these rich white bankers. How many ******g decades did it take before these rich white men start to give back? How many years did they and their families spend exploiting the system before they gave back? Hell rich Jewish dudes don't even put their money back into American inner-citties, guys like Sheldon Adelson give their money STRICTLY to Israel. laugh.gif
Why suddenly does Jay got to be held to a different standard? Because all along he acted like he'd be different? O rly, I guess in all that self-promoting, self-righteous rap he spit all his career must've gone over a lot of heads. He never promised none of that, this isn't Nas, this is Jay.
Maybe when he's got 3 billion in the bank he'll start giving back but until then I can't honestly knock him for exploiting his own fan-base until he gets there. I mean damn it, it's the god damned American way. Hell white people exploit their own, white women have been exploited by white men for decades. As long as the hood is enamored with Jay-Z he's going to continue to get this money.
there is only so much he can do, but i see where you are coming from. however, i think giving back as a black entertainer is more impactful to the community he is widely known, from, etc than you realize, wouldn't you agree? jay doesn't have to hold himself to a different standard, but why would he not? i would if i were in his shoes. it would be stupid to put positive social value to the entertainment industry as a whole, but the reality is that, these people are flat out rich. and the rich stand to make a meaningful impact in a community. if a teacher who is underpaid by the city can impact children's lives with what little means they have by providing the best education then can, why can't rich people with all that money and social (and in some cases political) influence do the same? the american way has always been **** you pay me. everyman for themselves, but honestly, that makes for a broken society. and it is a massive reason why we aren't the greatest country in the world.
now giving back is one thing, but frontin like you giving back is a travesty.
for example..
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@GirlThatsBlanco
Have you looked up Jay-Z's charitable work at all?
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In 2010, Jay-Z only reportedly donated $6,431 of his $63 million earnings to his own Shawn Carter Scholarship Fund, and Beyonce is being drawn into the mix too. Out of the $87 million she earned in 2010, not a single penny went to her husband's foundation.
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like really? really? again, i realize dude isn't in the billions of dollars, so i don't expect him to be in africa fighting malaria, and helping develop drought resistant crop seeds. but if you gonna support something like kids going to college, don't ******** about it. 6 grand?
my parents are from haiti, and my mother is retired, but still gives up a grand a month supporting a kid she knows in haiti through school. and she never made it even close to six figures in her microbiology career. oh jay z came up in bed stuy, when NYC was hardcore? my family was raised under a dictator, a death dealer, duvalier. oh jay was poor coming up? ....haiti.
i could go on, but my point is, if u trying to give back, be about it 100% otherwise, don't be about it at all, and make a mockery of it, knowing full well you will be filthy rich whether u support 3, or 50 kids thru college. be true to the cause or ****. and that goes for any rich celebrities frontin on the people that made em rich in the first place.
Some dudes just don't get it JAY-Z will NEVER been on those people he raps about in his recent songs level.. JAY-Z is looked at by rich WHITE REPUBLICANS as a dumb rapper that bites off more than he can chew..I mean look at how sports agents clown this dude they have ZERO respect for JAY sad but true..JAY will never be on those people that run this country level because for
1. HE IS BLACK
2.HE BRAGS ABOUT BEING A EX DRUG IN HIS SONGS
3.HE IS A RAPPER THOSE PPL LOOK AT RAPPERS AS A JOKE..
As long as there is a FOX NEWS around JAY will NEVER become apart of AMERICA'S elite RACISM is still alive folks..
Some dudes just don't get it JAY-Z will NEVER been on those people he raps about in his recent songs level.. JAY-Z is looked at by rich WHITE REPUBLICANS as a dumb rapper that bites off more than he can chew..I mean look at how sports agents clown this dude they have ZERO respect for JAY sad but true..JAY will never be on those people that run this country level because for
1. HE IS BLACK
2.HE BRAGS ABOUT BEING A EX DRUG IN HIS SONGS
3.HE IS A RAPPER THOSE PPL LOOK AT RAPPERS AS A JOKE..
As long as there is a FOX NEWS around JAY will NEVER become apart of AMERICA'S elite RACISM is still alive folks..
If any rappers gonna be the 1st black billionaire its gonna be DRE or DIDDY they have great investments that are money making machines BEATS HEADPHONES,CIROC & REVOLT TV
How do u guys view Oprah
She gives back but some blacks don't like her
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Originally Posted by sreggie101 View Post
agreed. i personally don't respect any person with vast wealth who do little to nothing to better society, especially when the economic disparities are increasing between rich and poor. NYC, the gap is the biggest and has been increasing every year.
being rich and not giving a **** about people is one thing. but if ur rich and repping a city all the time publicly, but don't do **** for that city, that commands little respect imo.
and im not even talking about buying new computers for a classroom n **** and getting some press coverage to better your public image...im talking about real impact. like work with the city to create more after school programs, create a REAL scholarship program that helps kids study something meaningful (STEM field). a kid who graduates an engineer is the best ROI you could ever ask for.
dude is worth half a billion dollars, and prolly close to a billy with beyonce. and now that i think about it, he sort of has this yeezy mentality, where he just wants a seat at the table with those who have, and not give a **** about those who don't. that lowkey house negro mentality...
nothing wrong with being rich. i support a capitalist economy although i don't have anything against a socialist one either, word to cuba. but there is only so much u can do with money to live it up. help a brotha out, word to warren buffet and his notion of too much money to spend.
[i have nothing against this
tumblr_map1jnJqXg1r8vtzr.gif
i have a problem with this
coin-flip-mcduck.gif
You're 100% spot on but here's my thing.....
There are zero, count 'em zero black American male billionaires.
And only one black American billionaire.
So honestly? I can't knock him. People EXPECT him to start divvying up that pie before he's like these rich white bankers. How many ******g decades did it take before these rich white men start to give back? How many years did they and their families spend exploiting the system before they gave back? Hell rich Jewish dudes don't even put their money back into American inner-citties, guys like Sheldon Adelson give their money STRICTLY to Israel. laugh.gif
Why suddenly does Jay got to be held to a different standard? Because all along he acted like he'd be different? O rly, I guess in all that self-promoting, self-righteous rap he spit all his career must've gone over a lot of heads. He never promised none of that, this isn't Nas, this is Jay.
Maybe when he's got 3 billion in the bank he'll start giving back but until then I can't honestly knock him for exploiting his own fan-base until he gets there. I mean damn it, it's the god damned American way. Hell white people exploit their own, white women have been exploited by white men for decades. As long as the hood is enamored with Jay-Z he's going to continue to get this money.
there is only so much he can do, but i see where you are coming from. however, i think giving back as a black entertainer is more impactful to the community he is widely known, from, etc than you realize, wouldn't you agree? jay doesn't have to hold himself to a different standard, but why would he not? i would if i were in his shoes. it would be stupid to put positive social value to the entertainment industry as a whole, but the reality is that, these people are flat out rich. and the rich stand to make a meaningful impact in a community. if a teacher who is underpaid by the city can impact children's lives with what little means they have by providing the best education then can, why can't rich people with all that money and social (and in some cases political) influence do the same? the american way has always been **** you pay me. everyman for themselves, but honestly, that makes for a broken society. and it is a massive reason why we aren't the greatest country in the world.
now giving back is one thing, but frontin like you giving back is a travesty.
for example..
Quote:
Originally Posted by cguy610 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by knowledgebones72 View Post
@GirlThatsBlanco
Have you looked up Jay-Z's charitable work at all?
Quote:
In 2010, Jay-Z only reportedly donated $6,431 of his $63 million earnings to his own Shawn Carter Scholarship Fund, and Beyonce is being drawn into the mix too. Out of the $87 million she earned in 2010, not a single penny went to her husband's foundation.
smokin.gif
like really? really? again, i realize dude isn't in the billions of dollars, so i don't expect him to be in africa fighting malaria, and helping develop drought resistant crop seeds. but if you gonna support something like kids going to college, don't ******** about it. 6 grand?
my parents are from haiti, and my mother is retired, but still gives up a grand a month supporting a kid she knows in haiti through school. and she never made it even close to six figures in her microbiology career. oh jay z came up in bed stuy, when NYC was hardcore? my family was raised under a dictator, a death dealer, duvalier. oh jay was poor coming up? ....haiti.
i could go on, but my point is, if u trying to give back, be about it 100% otherwise, don't be about it at all, and make a mockery of it, knowing full well you will be filthy rich whether u support 3, or 50 kids thru college. be true to the cause or ****. and that goes for any rich celebrities frontin on the people that made em rich in the first place.
Hm....
You know what though? I think he sees the bigger picture. At the end of the day you can make a difference right now or you can be "selfish" and continue to stack until you've got billions.
I think from an impact stand-point, he knows that being the first male black billionaire (from America) is a lot more powerful than being worth half a billion. You can put a few hundred kids through college now OR you can **** around and build an institution. Instead of donating to a hospital he can **** around and build one. Instead of helping Marcy he can **** around and completely change Bedford-Stuy.
See the difference? It's hard to see the big picture above when people are looking down on their high-horse talking about what he should do. Truth is until you have those type of ends you cannot fathom the potential power you can have.
Maybe he shouldn't be like the white American capitalists that came before him but it certainly doesn't hurt to have a seat at their table. You see how many people Oprah helps right? That **** don't come cheap.
It's more than just money people, it's stature, it's power. This country is run by a small group of wealthy people who tell politicians what to do. People who collectively have more money than the ENTIRE American middle-class. You want to help out the little guy? Or do you want to be one of those select elite who have the power to actually have a say?
I'd much rather have a black representative at that table than that same black male squandering (it's true, ultimately it would be a squandering) it on little cutsie charities.
And if you listen to him, I think this is clearly his goal. His music reflects a much grander plan.