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if GOD exists... Question.
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Originally Posted by whiterails
Philosoraptor never fails
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Originally Posted by whiterails
Philosoraptor never fails
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I didn't even see this gem of a rant. Thanks for bumping it.
An appeal to ignorance does not validate your claim that there is a god. It only highlights that human knowledge is limited, nothing more.
Just because you are a "grown !%+ man" doesn't mean the shackles of religion can't still be on you unwittingly. You claim to be unsure of whether there is a moral god that set commandments for us but you seem pretty convinced there is definitely a heaven or a hell (judging by your mentions of St. Peter and Hitler.) You might have "made the choice" for yourself but you're lying if you don't honestly think that what you believe now is in someway influenced by your upbringing which you could not control.
Your anecdotal accounts of the supernatural are also not evidence for there being a god. I could say I saw a pirate with a peg-leg riding down the block on a unicorn but would you take my word for it?
I also disagree with your assertion that if there is no cosmic being, that will pass judgement and damnation upon us if we don't get our acts together, that society will fall into anarchy. That's the problem with parents teaching their kids about this crap. Instead of raising kids to believe that doing right by their fellow man is moral for the sake of a functioning society, they teach kids to fear this invisible being that might damn them to a burning pool of fire for eternity. Cool. I don't believe that FEAR should be what keeps people in line in a society but respect for their fellow man.
When legitimate skepticism is leveled towards the respective religions, not a one evidence for belief can be mustered. I have never seen once on my time here on NT that people have been able to produce even a shred of evidence to support the belief of a god. Wouldn't it make sense for those that believe something to be able to properly defend/back up their beliefs?
I am an atheist. I am not miserable
5 billion people being wrong is more likely than a god existing that 5 billion people can't produce a single shred of real evidence for.
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I didn't even see this gem of a rant. Thanks for bumping it.
An appeal to ignorance does not validate your claim that there is a god. It only highlights that human knowledge is limited, nothing more.
Just because you are a "grown !%+ man" doesn't mean the shackles of religion can't still be on you unwittingly. You claim to be unsure of whether there is a moral god that set commandments for us but you seem pretty convinced there is definitely a heaven or a hell (judging by your mentions of St. Peter and Hitler.) You might have "made the choice" for yourself but you're lying if you don't honestly think that what you believe now is in someway influenced by your upbringing which you could not control.
Your anecdotal accounts of the supernatural are also not evidence for there being a god. I could say I saw a pirate with a peg-leg riding down the block on a unicorn but would you take my word for it?
I also disagree with your assertion that if there is no cosmic being, that will pass judgement and damnation upon us if we don't get our acts together, that society will fall into anarchy. That's the problem with parents teaching their kids about this crap. Instead of raising kids to believe that doing right by their fellow man is moral for the sake of a functioning society, they teach kids to fear this invisible being that might damn them to a burning pool of fire for eternity. Cool. I don't believe that FEAR should be what keeps people in line in a society but respect for their fellow man.
When legitimate skepticism is leveled towards the respective religions, not a one evidence for belief can be mustered. I have never seen once on my time here on NT that people have been able to produce even a shred of evidence to support the belief of a god. Wouldn't it make sense for those that believe something to be able to properly defend/back up their beliefs?
I am an atheist. I am not miserable
5 billion people being wrong is more likely than a god existing that 5 billion people can't produce a single shred of real evidence for.
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exactly my point, nothing was said to prove anything....so let people believe what they believe and let this thread die
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exactly my point, nothing was said to prove anything....so let people believe what they believe and let this thread die
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Lotta salt in here
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Lotta salt in here
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You're not doing a very good job letting this thread die.
You don't like the thread, YOU can leave. Yet you continue to post.
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You're not doing a very good job letting this thread die.
You don't like the thread, YOU can leave. Yet you continue to post.
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Originally Posted by Boys Noize
I didn't even see this gem of a rant. Thanks for bumping it.
An appeal to ignorance does not validate your claim that there is a god. It only highlights that human knowledge is limited, nothing more.
Just because you are a "grown !%+ man" doesn't mean the shackles of religion can't still be on you unwittingly. You claim to be unsure of whether there is a moral god that set commandments for us but you seem pretty convinced there is definitely a heaven or a hell (judging by your mentions of St. Peter and Hitler.) You might have "made the choice" for yourself but you're lying if you don't honestly think that what you believe now is in someway influenced by your upbringing which you could not control.
Your anecdotal accounts of the supernatural are also not evidence for there being a god. I could say I saw a pirate with a peg-leg riding down the block on a unicorn but would you take my word for it?
I also disagree with your assertion that if there is no cosmic being, that will pass judgement and damnation upon us if we don't get our acts together, that society will fall into anarchy. That's the problem with parents teaching their kids about this crap. Instead of raising kids to believe that doing right by their fellow man is moral for the sake of a functioning society, they teach kids to fear this invisible being that might damn them to a burning pool of fire for eternity. Cool. I don't believe that FEAR should be what keeps people in line in a society but respect for their fellow man.
When legitimate skepticism is leveled towards the respective religions, not a one evidence for belief can be mustered. I have never seen once on my time here on NT that people have been able to produce even a shred of evidence to support the belief of a god. Wouldn't it make sense for those that believe something to be able to properly defend/back up their beliefs?
I am an atheist. I am not miserable(actually, I'm a lot happier now than when I was a Christian from the age of 5 through 18.) Nothing really traumatic has happened to me. I DON'T believe that if there really was a god (especially the one that Christians claim "love" us) that he/she/it would allow all these terrible things to happen to the people on this world; especially if he's supposedly omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. To be able to know everything, be everywhere, and be all powerful and NOT do anything is sadistic at worst and uncaring at best.
5 billion people being wrong is more likely than a god existing that 5 billion people can't produce a single shred of real evidence for.
Great post, Id also like to stress one thing to all the salty believers out there who b***** and moan about religious threads on NT. Nobody is forcing you to come here. It would be one thing if I went to your house early in the morning with pamphlets and started proselytizing (see what was done here
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Originally Posted by Boys Noize
I didn't even see this gem of a rant. Thanks for bumping it.
An appeal to ignorance does not validate your claim that there is a god. It only highlights that human knowledge is limited, nothing more.
Just because you are a "grown !%+ man" doesn't mean the shackles of religion can't still be on you unwittingly. You claim to be unsure of whether there is a moral god that set commandments for us but you seem pretty convinced there is definitely a heaven or a hell (judging by your mentions of St. Peter and Hitler.) You might have "made the choice" for yourself but you're lying if you don't honestly think that what you believe now is in someway influenced by your upbringing which you could not control.
Your anecdotal accounts of the supernatural are also not evidence for there being a god. I could say I saw a pirate with a peg-leg riding down the block on a unicorn but would you take my word for it?
I also disagree with your assertion that if there is no cosmic being, that will pass judgement and damnation upon us if we don't get our acts together, that society will fall into anarchy. That's the problem with parents teaching their kids about this crap. Instead of raising kids to believe that doing right by their fellow man is moral for the sake of a functioning society, they teach kids to fear this invisible being that might damn them to a burning pool of fire for eternity. Cool. I don't believe that FEAR should be what keeps people in line in a society but respect for their fellow man.
When legitimate skepticism is leveled towards the respective religions, not a one evidence for belief can be mustered. I have never seen once on my time here on NT that people have been able to produce even a shred of evidence to support the belief of a god. Wouldn't it make sense for those that believe something to be able to properly defend/back up their beliefs?
I am an atheist. I am not miserable(actually, I'm a lot happier now than when I was a Christian from the age of 5 through 18.) Nothing really traumatic has happened to me. I DON'T believe that if there really was a god (especially the one that Christians claim "love" us) that he/she/it would allow all these terrible things to happen to the people on this world; especially if he's supposedly omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. To be able to know everything, be everywhere, and be all powerful and NOT do anything is sadistic at worst and uncaring at best.
5 billion people being wrong is more likely than a god existing that 5 billion people can't produce a single shred of real evidence for.
Great post, Id also like to stress one thing to all the salty believers out there who b***** and moan about religious threads on NT. Nobody is forcing you to come here. It would be one thing if I went to your house early in the morning with pamphlets and started proselytizing (see what was done here
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There is no difference between believeing in a god, and believing what you are told about how the universe came to be (big bang theory). Until YOU yourself can prove whether the big bang is in fact how the universe started, then you're blindly following what scientists are telling you. That is no different than religous people all over the world believing in god.
You tell me what's harder to believe. That there is a ever-existing supernatural creator of the universe? Or, that everything we see today, all came from nothing? If the scientific theory for how the universe was born, is something from nothing, does the idea of god really sound as farfetched as you thought?
They're both quite hard to believe.
So let's just agree to disagree since niether can be proven true or false. Until then, let's not judge, mock, or insult eachother.
Peace.
God is love.
You tell me what's harder to believe. That there is a ever-existing supernatural creator of the universe? Or, that everything we see today, all came from nothing? If the scientific theory for how the universe was born, is something from nothing, does the idea of god really sound as farfetched as you thought?
They're both quite hard to believe.
So let's just agree to disagree since niether can be proven true or false. Until then, let's not judge, mock, or insult eachother.
Peace.
God is love.
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There is no difference between believeing in a god, and believing what you are told about how the universe came to be (big bang theory). Until YOU yourself can prove whether the big bang is in fact how the universe started, then you're blindly following what scientists are telling you. That is no different than religous people all over the world believing in god.
You tell me what's harder to believe. That there is a ever-existing supernatural creator of the universe? Or, that everything we see today, all came from nothing? If the scientific theory for how the universe was born, is something from nothing, does the idea of god really sound as farfetched as you thought?
They're both quite hard to believe.
So let's just agree to disagree since niether can be proven true or false. Until then, let's not judge, mock, or insult eachother.
Peace.
God is love.
You tell me what's harder to believe. That there is a ever-existing supernatural creator of the universe? Or, that everything we see today, all came from nothing? If the scientific theory for how the universe was born, is something from nothing, does the idea of god really sound as farfetched as you thought?
They're both quite hard to believe.
So let's just agree to disagree since niether can be proven true or false. Until then, let's not judge, mock, or insult eachother.
Peace.
God is love.
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The big bang is a theory-I don't "blindly" follow what scientists tell me, that would make me a very lousy scientist.
God had to have come from nothing as well, which would make it doubly far-fetched wouldn't it?
The difference between scientists and religious folks, is that science is perpetually searching for truths. I am at peace with the fact that I have no idea what spawned the universe, I have theories and will not pass them off as fact. Most religious people would never admit this, they are taught to think their beliefs are infallible truths.
I cannot stress this any more, the big bang is a "THEORY".
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The big bang is a theory-I don't "blindly" follow what scientists tell me, that would make me a very lousy scientist.
God had to have come from nothing as well, which would make it doubly far-fetched wouldn't it?
The difference between scientists and religious folks, is that science is perpetually searching for truths. I am at peace with the fact that I have no idea what spawned the universe, I have theories and will not pass them off as fact. Most religious people would never admit this, they are taught to think their beliefs are infallible truths.
I cannot stress this any more, the big bang is a "THEORY".
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"To firmly stand by any belief, you agree with something that you don't have full evidence of. That is equitable to bearing false witness."
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"To firmly stand by any belief, you agree with something that you don't have full evidence of. That is equitable to bearing false witness."
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Well we believe that god has always existed. There is no beginning or end to god, unlike the universe which came from nothing. But like you said, those are MY beliefs just as you have yours, and I do agree that we Christians need to stop trying to force our beliefs on people and remember that what we believe in is not based on fact but faith. But at the same time there are many who have opposing views about religion and they tend to mock, and try to ridicule people of faith. Both sides have people who need to respect opposing beliefs.
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Well we believe that god has always existed. There is no beginning or end to god, unlike the universe which came from nothing. But like you said, those are MY beliefs just as you have yours, and I do agree that we Christians need to stop trying to force our beliefs on people and remember that what we believe in is not based on fact but faith. But at the same time there are many who have opposing views about religion and they tend to mock, and try to ridicule people of faith. Both sides have people who need to respect opposing beliefs.
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good thread. I'm wondering when Jesus was alive and I do feel he was alive at some point in history. What else was going on in the world at the time?? What/Who else was out here during the time of He and his peoples??
