Kanye West: King of the Sunken Place, "Watch the Throne"

[ahat]

Kanye not even top5 producer all time

 

[blastercombo]

In the end AGAIN, it’s all subjective. I’m not here to tell someone that Kanye sucks, I don’t care about someone’s musical opinion about him. I’m here to laugh at his dumbass statement and his complete diarrhea dump on black people, and those who still support him.

 

[maq25060]

Which still discredits the artist. I paint you a picture and you signing your name on it gifts you credit? Doesn’t matter how many people do it, they’re all fake. This really isn’t that difficult to understand

I don't think I ever disagreed with this. I just said that's just how the game goes.

 

[Nawzlew]

As far as the Pulitzer/Kendrick discussion goes, I think he should've gotten it for TPAB not DAMN.


Anyway, Ye dumb but he's one of the greatest hip hop producers of all time.

and I think College Dropout changed the game.

 

[PRIME]

I think it depends on how much value you put in urban culture/entertainment.

Kanye has changed **** so many times from beats to birthing whole careers/subgenres to fashion...I was in the mall today and it was surreal to hear the store radio talking about his Trump **** meanwhile silhouettes inspired by his shoes on the wall, dudes walking around with graphic tees inspired by Yeezus/TLOP merch. Without him the last 20 years of urban culture are completely different.

He can be a goofy and a genius at the same time.

Just as you are suggesting we think long and hard about how he is a genius, think long and hard about how he’s not. The only argument I see is that urban culture just doesnt matter that much which may be a valid point, may not be, but is a whole nother convo itself than whether or not he posesses genius talent.

People put too much value in his materialism. I got a whole post last page that explains why Kanye isn't a genius. His talent isn't his talent alone. Kanye West is a collective unit.

4 songwriters, 2 producers, but 1 genius? C'mon fam. Lets keep it a buck.

And lets keep it all the way a buck since we're talking about his "genius", not only are the majority of his songs a 4 man show, his Nike shoes were built on existing Nike toolage, his Adidas 350's are a carbon copy of the Nike Roshe Run, and his Yeezy season clothing is a Rick Owens knock off.

https://www.racked.com/2015/2/13/8035019/kanye-west-adidas-raf-simons-margiela-rick-owens#0

Sell me on the genius, cause I'm still seeing right through it.

 

[maq25060]

How when The Love Below came out 5 years earlier?

Ay bro...loved that album. I'm on your wavelenght...but who was trying to iuse those styles and sounds from The Love Below? No one tried to recreate it. Damn shame it's not acknowledged as the genuis it is.

It's why Ye gets that regard...the singing rapper became a thing after that.

Also...ye debuting Love Lockdown at the VMA's is one of the biggest ballsiest moves from a hip hop artist in the ten years before and the ten years since.

 

[duba169]

kanye a musical genius but we al have different criteria, not sure the point of arguing it

 

[brivera716]

Y’all realize producing isn’t always hand making every part of the beat right?

Any producer that has worked with Kanye will tell you how different the beat was before they sent it to him

The man literally gave Common a classic album of beats & dudes wanna act like he ain’t top 3 all time

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Ay bro...loved that album. I'm on your wavelenght...but who was trying to iuse those styles and sounds from The Love Below? No one tried to recreate it. Damn shame it's not acknowledged as the genuis it is.

It's why Ye gets that regard...the singing rapper became a thing after that.

I get it, I just think a lot of younger fans fail to give credit where credit is due.

There is no 808's w/o TLB, so, I feel it's a little ridiculous to give Kanye credit for shifting the landscape of the genre when others laid the groundwork years earlier.

Electric Circus is another album that's "out there" and that came out before TLB, I believe.

I'm also pretty sure Cudi had a big influence on 808's, too.

Let’s make sure we’re giving credit to the likes of Andre 3000, Pharrell (including NERD) and Cudi etc. for this as well.

Exactly this.

 

[ilike turtles]

Y’all realize producing isn’t always hand making every part of the beat right?

Any producer that has worked with Kanye will tell you how different the beat was before they sent it to him

Bingo.

"Producing" wasn't perceived as an individual hand-making a song until hip-hop became mainstream.

 

[tdogg2k]

Ye said he's a musical genius so much, a lot of people started believing it. We wouldn't be having this discussion other wise.

And Wayne called himself the greatest rapper alive at one point, and had dudes following that.... But where is he at now in the discussion? We talk about 500 degrees and Carter 3. No one spoke about dude since.
we still discuss Ye genius though.

What does his average fan's knowledge of Pulitzer history have to do with Kendrick winning it?
That's the path you're gonna take to downplay that accomplishment?
I'm not even much of a fan, but that Pulitzer is a pretty big deal

Pulitzer is a big deal and I won't discredit him for that.
BUT... The same way some people in here aren't giving credit to ye for writing or producing every track he laid down. Well if we're keeping that same energy, is it not fair to say it wasn't JUST kenderick who should get all that credit for an ALBUM winning. He didn't win it off lyrics alone.

beg?
Kanye doesn’t even attend the Grammys anymore & he has 22
Kendrick literally caters to the Grammys
& I say impact, I mean within music. What has any of Kendrick’s albums influenced? Besides J.Cole
Kanye literally literally killed the popularity of gangster rap with College Dropout & then Graduation. & then shifted hip hop again with 808’s

This
IMO he pretty much got Gangsta rap out of the paint for awhile.
Kanye vs 50 cent was a huge deal back then. On an international scale, not just in the living rooms of yall in the US.

Where did rap come from? It’s pretty easy to figure out why it’s the only genre that you have to write your own ****. That was the point of rap. To spit your own bars and embarrass someone. Not to spit someone else’s lines. You getting killed for that.
Kanye didn’t make the beat for Down and Out, he helped produce it and that’s what he’s been doing. “Producing” **** and not making beats.

What???
so Rap is the only genre where it matters you're talking about your own problems? Where is the logic in that?
Also all rap is battle rap now? I dont understand your point.

 

[SC kid]

That's how I think diddy produced/produces.

I think he had people behind the boards and he would tell them "Yo gimmie this type of beat....slow down the tempo....add some high hats....add this noise....this type of bass.....put the chorus here....etc"

 

[maq25060]

I get it, I just think a lot of younger fans fail to give credit where credit is due.

There is no 808's w/o TLB, so, I feel it's a little ridiculous to give Kanye credit for shifting the landscape of the genre when others laid the groundwork years earlier.

Electric Circus is another album that's "out there" and that came out before TLB, I believe.

I'm also pretty sure Cudi had a big influence on 808's, too.



Exactly this.

Ye freely admits Cudi and Mr. Hudson had a huge impact on that album.

I think the best way to describe Ye is with his line "I'm the gap like banana republic and old Navy and oohhh..come out sweeter than sweet Sadie".

The dude can mix all kinds of stylings admittedly brought to his attention by others and just make heat with it.

 

[htg designs]

beg?

Kanye doesn’t even attend the Grammys anymore & he has 22

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/78511541-157.html
people get "snubbed" all the time but you dont hear them complain like this dude. Specially after winning so much.

Kendrick literally caters to the Grammys

Not sure what this means. But, last time I checked, Kanye was on Grammy Family, not Kdot.

& I say impact, I mean within music. What has any of Kendrick’s albums influenced? Besides J.Cole

You can have impact without making carbon copies or having people replicate what you do. Seeing Kdot do his thing allow more people to just be themselves. He dont have signature styles like that (those weird voices have been done before), people see him win, so it prolly allows them to trust themselves more versus doing a particular formula. You dont gotta make people follow you to have impact. You just gotta open their eyes. Kdot impact is his message, not necessarily sonic sounds, or style. (I think he would tell you that's his goal). Ye had soul samples, the live instrumentation, the synthesized and electric sounds, and so on as he progressed through his albums. Kdot only had 1lp (TPAB), where he had a musical theme so to speak, which explored the rich history of black music. Which prompted Ye to tweet:

— KANYE WEST (@kanyewest) March 16, 2015

KENDRICK IS AN INSPIRATION. THANK YOU FOR THE VIBRATIONS AND THE SPIRIT. YOUR MEANING, MESSAGE AND EXECUTION ARE GIFTS TO THE WORLD.

Kanye literally literally killed the popularity of gangster rap with College Dropout & then Graduation. & then shifted hip hop again with 808’s

So if gangster rap was killed by Ye, theres no more gangster rap music today?

 

[kingfoamnyc]

It is a truth universally acknowledged that fashion loving folk flock, camp overnight and fight to get into any type of product launch that involves Kanye West's brand, Yeezy.

That is now fake news.

Back in 2016, Australian fans of the rapper and fashion designer queued for more than five hours at a time on a Bondi street before they were able to buy official merchandise of his Pablo tour.

On Saturday at 9am-sharp, West's latest collaboration with Australian sportswear brand 2XU went on sale.

Fanfare and mass hysteria were forecast.

2XU arranged a one-hour instore ballot followed by an online sale of the "extremely limited stock".

Staff were on hand early to prep the Oxford Street store with the $550 neoprene leggings, being sold as "Scuba tights", and the $500 bike shorts.



The only thing missing was the customers.

The brand waited for about 45-minutes before shutting the whole thing down with a representative telling Fairfax Media: "There’s been a change of direction from head office and unfortunately the event has been cancelled."

Further enquiries went unanswered.

On Saturday evening, the tights and shorts were still in abundance on the brand's online store despite media being told ahead of the launch: "Fans will have to be quick, with a strictly limited number of pieces from the collection available to the public."

The hashtag "#YEEZYx2XU" had only been used 10 times on Instagram.

Sources on Saturday said West's recent social media exploits, where he has publicly supported US President Donald Trump, negatively impacted the release of the highly anticipated Yeezy x 2XU Season 6 collection.

The capsule range was heavily promoted by West's wife, Kim Kardashian West, to her 110 million Instagram fans. She was also photographed for the cover of the April issue of ELLEmagazine in the United States wearing the range.

West continued to anger his fans and famous friends during the week leading up to the launch when he implied, during an appearance on TMZ, the slavery endured by African Americans "sounds like a choice" despite the well-documented history of revolts and resistance.

As well as 2XU, a label that makes compression tights loved by Foreign Minister Julie Bishop, West also works with Adidas, which manufactures his much-hyped sneaker line, Yeezy.

A petition has now been signed more than 16,000 times calling for Adidas to terminate its partnership with West.

Following the online firestorm, Adidas CEO Kasper Rorsted confirmed the German brand is sticking with West but reiterated numerous times during an interview with Bloomberg that Yeezy sneakers are only “a small part” of the $33 billion company.
Back in Sydney, a town renowned for its love of activewear, it appears leggings still aren't as popular as jeans.

Down the road from 2XU's empty store on Saturday morning, fans of denim label Ksubi lined up around the block for several hours for a chance to pick up a pair of the brand's trademark distressed jeans which usually retail for about $200.

Shoppers line Oxford St for the Ksubi denim fashion sale at their flagship store on Saturday.

The third Yeezy x 2XU collection - Season 7 - is set to go on sale in the coming months.

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fa...at-last-minute-in-sydney-20180505-p4zdl1.html

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Ye freely admits Cudi and Mr. Hudson had a huge impact on that album.

Ya, I thought so but wasn't sure if he said it himself.

Speaking of Cudi... my guy fell off a damn cliff.

I need that MoTM Cudi to make a triumphant return, immediately.

 

[ilike turtles]

^ Cudi's last album was fire

 

[tdogg2k]

^ Cudi's last album was fire

Was just about to post that. It's still in rotation in my Spotify.

 

[jjs07]

Kanye begging in ALL aspects of his professional life...AND he calls himself a genius.

Nope.

 

[snkrfollower]

I want a whole line of dudes including Chuck D, Mos Def, Talib, Q-Tip and Ali Shaheed Muhammad to just try to slap the sense back in this man's head. I was listening to PE earlier today, and I'll be goddamned if "It Takes a Nation..." isn't still relevant today, especially in light of this fool's conversion.

 

[seasoned vet]

i said before, Kanye has his own era in hip hop

think about that

 

[blakep267]

Ya, I thought so but wasn't sure if he said it himself.

Speaking of Cudi... my guy fell off a damn cliff.

I need that MoTM Cudi to make a triumphant return, immediately.

He can’t do it. The closest he got was Indicud but it still wasn’t there. It’s a mindset that he can’t get back to

 

[PRIME]

He can’t do it. The closest he got was Indicud but it still wasn’t there. It’s a mindset that he can’t get back to

For his own health let’s hope he doesn’t get back to his MOTM ways...

 

[RIP sleazyy]

For his own health let’s hope he doesn’t get back to his MOTM ways...

the cocaine in a jar era

 

[bad lieutenant]

The man literally gave Common a classic album of beats & dudes wanna act like he ain’t top 3 all time

Primo, Rza, Pete Rock, Large Pro, Finesse, Buckwild, Q-Tip, Marley Marl, Prince Paul, Dilla, Muggs, Dre, Alchemist, Just Blaze.......etc.... All better producers than Ye imo...
Everything about this cat is overrated...