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Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus 'cure' wrote to Trump this week
Mark Grenon wrote to Trump saying chlorine dioxide ‘can rid the body of Covid-19’ days before the president promoted disinfectant as treatment

The leader of the most prominent group in the US peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach as a “miracle cure” for coronavirus wrote to Donald Trump at the White House this week.

In his letter, Mark Grenon told Trump that chlorine dioxide – a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk – is “a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body”. He added that it “can rid the body of Covid-19”.

A few days after Grenon dispatched his letter, Trump went on national TV at his daily coronavirus briefing at the White House on Thursday and promoted the idea that disinfectant could be used as a treatment for the virus. To the astonishment of medical experts, the US president said that disinfectant “knocks it out in a minute. One minute!”

He went on to say: “Is there a way we can do something, by an injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that.”

Trump did not specify where the idea of using disinfectant as a possible remedy for Covid-19 came from, and the source for his notion remains obscure. But the Guardian has learned that peddlers of chlorine dioxide – industrial bleach – have been making direct approaches to the White House in recent days.

Grenon styles himself as “archbishop” of Genesis II – a Florida-based outfit that claims to be a church but which in fact is the largest producer and distributor of chlorine dioxide bleach as a “miracle cure” in the US. He brands the chemical as MMS, “miracle mineral solution”, and claims fraudulently that it can cure 99% of all illnesses including cancer, malaria, HIV/Aids as well as autism.

Since the start of the pandemic, Genesis II has been marketing MMS as a cure to coronavirus. It advises users, including children, to mix three to six drops of bleach in water and drink it.
 
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I loved this movie when it came out, when I was a libertarian. I dislike it now that I'm a socialist.

It fit right in with the Daily Show Style approach to politics of 2006, it was used as touchstone during Trump's election and early presidency but I think that liberals, progressives and leftists need to stop acting like Idiocracy is any kind of thoughtful nor left leaning satire. It's neither left nor thoughtful, it's kind of funny though.

This video articulates those thoughts for me so I'd don't have to.


Thoughtful or not, funny or not, Idiocracy is a prophecy come true.

This video is a massive reach, the kind of reach, that grabs for a straw, but sticks its entire hand into a bear trap instead.
 
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I think this is taking it a step too far, but you never know Trump is corrupt....... and a moron, always a moron.

So maybe he did it. I just think from having watched this painfully, slow train wreck. Trump didn’t want to believe the Coronavirus was a threat because he is ignorant and Dems/scientist were telling him to hurry and his distrust of them made him do the opposite and have a tantrum. Then when he did realize he messed up, and that it would effect the economy (not the 100,000 of likely deaths because he’s never cared about people dying) he’s been digging the hole deeper to try and get the economy going again. Solely, because his whole re-election campaign was based on people having jobs.

Basically he is a moronic sociopath and just like how he has failed over and over again prior due to his unwillingness to learn. We are here again. He is literally what happens when conservatives do the things they said they would do. The only tiny silver lining is I legit think their is a even bigger election blue wave for 2020 and maybe Biden actually holds Trump accountable for how he ran the country into the ground. If this is a big story I think there will be a legit political will to prosecute Trump...... in a court where he wouldn’t be able to cheat.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...bied-trump-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus 'cure' wrote to Trump this week
Mark Grenon wrote to Trump saying chlorine dioxide ‘can rid the body of Covid-19’ days before the president promoted disinfectant as treatment

The leader of the most prominent group in the US peddling potentially lethal industrial bleach as a “miracle cure” for coronavirus wrote to Donald Trump at the White House this week.

In his letter, Mark Grenon told Trump that chlorine dioxide – a powerful bleach used in industrial processes such as textile manufacturing that can have fatal side-effects when drunk – is “a wonderful detox that can kill 99% of the pathogens in the body”. He added that it “can rid the body of Covid-19”.

A few days after Grenon dispatched his letter, Trump went on national TV at his daily coronavirus briefing at the White House on Thursday and promoted the idea that disinfectant could be used as a treatment for the virus. To the astonishment of medical experts, the US president said that disinfectant “knocks it out in a minute. One minute!”

He went on to say: “Is there a way we can do something, by an injection inside or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that.”

Trump did not specify where the idea of using disinfectant as a possible remedy for Covid-19 came from, and the source for his notion remains obscure. But the Guardian has learned that peddlers of chlorine dioxide – industrial bleach – have been making direct approaches to the White House in recent days.

Grenon styles himself as “archbishop” of Genesis II – a Florida-based outfit that claims to be a church but which in fact is the largest producer and distributor of chlorine dioxide bleach as a “miracle cure” in the US. He brands the chemical as MMS, “miracle mineral solution”, and claims fraudulently that it can cure 99% of all illnesses including cancer, malaria, HIV/Aids as well as autism.

Since the start of the pandemic, Genesis II has been marketing MMS as a cure to coronavirus. It advises users, including children, to mix three to six drops of bleach in water and drink it.
How is this legal?
 
I think this is taking it a step too far, but you never know Trump is corrupt....... and a moron, always a moron.

it fits into what we’ve heard about him for years. not bout to give dude anything close to benefit of the doubt

being dumb doesn’t disqualify you from being a greedy self preserving *******, it just means you’re dumb enough to keep getting caught
 
Thoughtful or not, funny or not, Idiocracy is a prophecy come true.

This video is a massive reach, the kind of reach, that grabs for a straw, but sticks its entire hand into a bear trap instead.

Reach? the movie's whole premise is eugenics.

But okay, how would America be fundamentally different if everyone in America watched live performances of Euripides instead of WWE, how would we be fundamentally different if everyone listened to Mozart instead of Lil' John. I'm not meaning to **** on pro wrestling or rap music but in Idiocracy, smart is correlated with consuming the classics of Western Civilization.

You know who voted for Trump? Guys with marble statues in their avatars, guys who love 300, people with PhDs in the classics who compared Trump to Pericles.

Even if Trump didn't win because the voting public was more discerning, we'd still be on the road to fascism and ecological destruction. The problem is lack of power due to a lack of solidarity, on the part of workers who let capital run rough shot over them.

Idiocracy is funny but its analysis of why things are bad totally misses the mark
 
Reach? the movie's whole premise is eugenics.

But okay, how would America be fundamentally different if everyone in America watched live performances of Euripides instead of WWE, how would we be fundamentally different if everyone listened to Mozart instead of Lil' John. I'm not meaning to **** on pro wrestling or rap music but in Idiocracy, smart is correlated with consuming the classics of Western Civilization.

You know who voted for Trump? Guys with marble statues in their avatars, guys who love 300, people with PhDs in the classics who compared Trump to Pericles.

Even if Trump didn't win because the voting public was more discerning, we'd still be on the road to fascism and ecological destruction. The problem is lack of power due to a lack of solidarity, on the part of workers who let capital run rough shot over them.

Idiocracy is funny but its analysis of why things are bad totally misses the mark

I never adequately considered that...WAS there even any actual analysis of the structural issues in Idiot Future?

yes there was too many Carls Jr. and everyone talked all stupid and colloquial dawg, but there was no spotlight on what was actually wrong with the society...like how a (likely) privatized education system has crumbled into rot, how prison populations are still ignored, and how wage slavery is STILL A THING 500 years from now.

...also, dumb *** President Camacho at least knew when to shut the **** up and stand in the background flexing while the smartest guy on Earth tried to figure out what was going on in this smooth brain society.

..that´s right, this timeline is worse than ¨Idiocracy.¨
 
it fits into what we’ve heard about him for years. not bout to give dude anything close to benefit of the doubt

being dumb doesn’t disqualify you from being a greedy self preserving *******, it just means you’re dumb enough to keep getting caught

Oh I agree it could be true. We can agree with Trump it’s always one or the other. He’s either doing something cause he’s a moron, or he’s doing something completely corrupt cause it will benefit him personally..... or racist, I can’t forget that he is a racist pig.
 
I'm not bothered by Trump openly theorizing about ingesting that stuff at all, only his followers take that **** to heart and put action to it.
That's the hilarity of this entire situation. We have Trump supporters defending the fact that Trump is saying things that can kill people, but the only ones who follow his advice are fellow supporters.
Then, we're gonna get speeches about not caring for folks who want to work when they support someone who is committing manslaughter.
 
Been waiting for it to finish so I could binge it during a quarantine weekend. It’s that legit?

It’s TOUGH. David Simon & them did their thing. Starts off slow...but it’s the point. Sets the pace on a country slowly moving toward fascism. Highly recommend this pod, after the episodes too. Really brought it home for me.

 
it was back in 7th grade when I realized I had a real enthusiasm for what I guess is called political science.

who the **** drew all these lines and why? I had to had to had to know.

learning about the World War Saga back then sparked an enduring curiosity about the fact that a human society didn´t have to work in one way or another...wanted to understand the machinations of State and how nations...decide...between systems like monarchy and democracy, how leaders and populations change.

how one guy got half a billion people to petition England off the continent and another convinced his countrymen to turn the entire machinery of a 20th century nation into an ethnic cleansing meat grinder.

...like, HOW?!

so it´s always been my personal belief that in many cases, ideas and circumstances, more than people, shape history...Putin deals with the some of the same basic geopolitical realities Ivan the Terrible did, looking out with paranoia across that flat runway to Moscow from Europe and kinda hating the climate they inherited.

so for me what separates one leader, one era, one society, from another is their ideas.

with that in mind it´s wild to consider that the same way that Europeans landed in the ¨New World,¨ took note of the more egalitarian social structures of many Native American peoples and got to wondering why they had kings after being perfectly fine with it all throughout Europe for thousands of years--brought on a bit of a shakeup, as we all know--2020 sees large swaths of the global population clinging desperately to nationalistic, anti-intellectual sentiments in the depths of a possible upheaval-tier threat to The Species.

it´s really not funny any more, mostly.
 
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