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This dude Donnie like the outbreak monkey
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They actually are giving in, to being Misrepresented as socialist or anti police, and some more ****
The centrist are so damn poor with the messaging. And be caving. Can’t get right smh
need fresh young faces. these folks scared of the flames.
not even realizing we are the flames, not them white folks they don’t wanna push away.
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They actually are giving in, to being Misrepresented as socialist or anti police, and some more ****
The centrist are so damn poor with the messaging. And be caving. Can’t get right smh
The younger crowd (your Beto's, Ilhans and AOC's etc) recognize instinctively that Dems get crushed by the RW media machine's ability to dominate narratives with overwhelming volume and consistency.
The older leadership class don't get it and still think its a policy thing so all suggestions on evolving and adapting with the times have been met with fierce resistance and branded as divisive by the same folks who have overseen congressional and statewide GOP takeovers across the board.
It's ironic since the suggestions are literally aimed at helping the party catch up and beat the right at their own game instead of always being on the backfoot and playing defense in response to the right.
It's not like they're any brighter or have any better ideas, just much more in tune strategically when it comes to owning their message and they've adapted seamlessly with the shifts in media influence with the advance of digital media that we've seen the last decade.
It's the parties job to be proactive in getting the messages out there as forcefully and consistently as the other side, not to be reactive and held hostage by false narratives and characterizations from the right with little pushback just hoping common sense will prevail (it rarely does
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the audacity to even ask whether this a thing or not.Fool wants pardons for crimes he/his team has not been charged with yet.
don't know why i imagined biden yelling, "pardon me!" right before he pulls out the chopper
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Yeahhhhhhhhhh all things considered, I still think the centrists have more of a point that the leftist in post-election Civil War.
I think this whole discussion is being dictated by minority voices within minority factions of the Democratic Party.
I love her, but AOC kinda is acting like a buffoon right now. She is taking issue with Abigail Spanberger's behavior while engaging in the same nonsense.
I think this whole discussion is being dictated by minority voices within minority factions of the Democratic Party.
I love her, but AOC kinda is acting like a buffoon right now. She is taking issue with Abigail Spanberger's behavior while engaging in the same nonsense.
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Never forget Rand is such a cawk that his neighbor broke 6 of his ribs, on his yard, in a gated community:
The Bizarre True Story of the Neighborhood Scuffle That Left Rand Paul with Six Broken Ribs
How did a United States senator—just out mowing his lawn—wind up in an altercation that put him in the hospital?
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So you think they just got there a week ago?
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Never forget Rand is such a cawk that his neighbor broke 6 of his ribs, on his yard, in a gated community:
The Bizarre True Story of the Neighborhood Scuffle That Left Rand Paul with Six Broken Ribs
How did a United States senator—just out mowing his lawn—wind up in an altercation that put him in the hospital?www.gq.com
Wish his neighbor would've worked the body more in the early rounds to break down his insanity.
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Never forget Rand is such a cawk that his neighbor broke 6 of his ribs, on his yard, in a gated community:
The Bizarre True Story of the Neighborhood Scuffle That Left Rand Paul with Six Broken Ribs
How did a United States senator—just out mowing his lawn—wind up in an altercation that put him in the hospital?
national treasure/hero..
Need more Americans like him.. world would be better if entitled white men got checked and realized ain’t no one above a cut $-$
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My man lol.
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Seeing seemingly well meaning liberals running with and wholesale eating up all the GOP fear mongering on this front has been jarring to say the least...
As if the right have never in history distorted issues and facts or accused Dems of being weak on 'law and order' or something
All the responsibility for down ballot failures getting presented as an organic activist co-opted slogan from the largest mass protest movement in history needing to be more focus group/consultant tested is absolutely laughable and purposely aims to misdirect blame
Nah.
Once upon of time Democrats would try to reform or improve police relations and Republicans would lie and say "tHeY wAnT tO dEsTrOY oUr pOlICe!"
Your political opponents will always try to present your ideas with unpopular and toxic framing...
But now, for reasons that totally baffle me...
Many activists have decided to PURPOSEFULLY adopt toxic and unpopular framing in order to...dunk on people on twitter, get likes on Instagram photo essays, I
It's stupid, it's part of the culture of loserdom that pervades the left.
Defund the police is stupid on the merits, it's stupid as political strategy it's stupid all around and that type of stupid shouldn't be coddled.
The goal is to win, don't adopt losing arguments.
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The Cartman comparison also works because Cartman is a perennial loser. I'm probably blanking on a couple other instances, but in the show's history, Cartman only "wins" once, and that's the Scott Tenorman episode (even then, Cartman took the L in the long run because they were half brothers). Trump's only "win" was the EC in 2016. He's been taking Ls ever since (popular votes, swing states, states flipping, court filings, etc.). Even his self-appointed judges have tossed out court cases and ruled against him time and time again.
Rooting for Cartman is like rooting for Trump: you're rooting for a loser.
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Trump campaign drops Arizona lawsuit requesting review of ballots
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Trump campaign drops Arizona lawsuit requesting review of ballots
Lawyers for the Trump campaign have dropped a lawsuit seeking a review of all ballots cast on Election Day after finding that the margin of victory for the presidential contest in Arizona could not be overcome.
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Activists that I have to talk to raised a good point to me. That their messaging is was not intended to have anything to do with the Democratic Party's national strategy.
Most of the demands were being made to local governments, and even if the slogan was not clear, they are involved in grassroots activity that makes their message clear to legislators in their cities and counties.
No one in the Democratic Party ran on that slogan, Progressive didn't push it, most activists didn't demand the Dems do it. So it is kinda a stretch to kinda a young person advocating for social change in these organic movements, to make the calculation of the consequences of their branding on the political ambitions of the Democratic Party.
It is literally not their job.
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I agree with the culture of losing in the party but I don't have any allusions of it being spurned on by activist rhetoric at all since all of these issues we always discuss precede this year and election cycle
The 1000 seats lost under the last Dem admin until now had absolutely nothing to do with 'defund the police'. Now it's just become a convenient scapegoat to place blame on without introspection. If it's not one thing, the other side will always make up another boogeyman irregardless of facts which is why it's a losing proposition playing by their rules out of fear of offending people who intentionally misrepresent your positions and even reality itself at every turn.
We also disagree on the phrasing being dumb or divisive seeing how defunding stuff like education, healthcare, public utilities etc is considered a necessary part of the status quo when it comes to governing yet we're supposed to buy that maybe not equipping law enforcement with the budget and equipment of standing armies is a bridge too far now??? C'mon
. It's all to do with priorities, not to do with being to extreme.All that being said, activists =/= the party. You shouldn't conflate the 2 when both are most often separate and distinct entities. Whatever slogans come about during spontanious and organic expressions of rage and disatisfaction will never be focus group tested to guage potential reactions from unaffected groups. That's where your public officials/organizers/legislators friendly to your plight/cause come in to channel that righteous energy into tangible ways of enacting changes. Not the job of the activists in the moment who are focused on making themselves heard while also protecting themselves and their allies from very real physical persecution.
The phrase wasn't even on anyone's platform and the rare candidates who actually did pay lip service to the idea didn't lose their races either
Accepting the scare mongering as unchanging fact and using it as a stick to beat back down some of the energy within the base will always be hustling backwards imo. Siphoning that energy into a coherent vision/plan of the future is what wins long term. Look at just how effectively the other side rode the energy and anger wave within their base into domination at the state and federal level after 2010 instead of dismissing it entirely and doubling down on failed strategy.
