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What a non-story.
The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap
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What a non-story.
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So....we can get rid of Arenas or Turk and possibly sign CP3? I like....
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So....we can get rid of Arenas or Turk and possibly sign CP3? I like....
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^^^ That's a pretty helpful article. Thanks for posting.
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^^^ That's a pretty helpful article. Thanks for posting.
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It depends on who you ask. There are a lot of people out there who think the season is as good as dead and that the owners have already made the decision that the 2011-12 season is expendable, provided that the players don't cave completely and give in to all the owners demands. On the other hand, there are still a few people out there who think the two sides will come to a compromise and we'll have NBA hoops before the end of this year. I read a column from one basketball writer -- Mark Heisler from the L.A. Times, -- who still thinks the season is going to start December 1. Personally, I'm not counting on a season. But I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong.
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It depends on who you ask. There are a lot of people out there who think the season is as good as dead and that the owners have already made the decision that the 2011-12 season is expendable, provided that the players don't cave completely and give in to all the owners demands. On the other hand, there are still a few people out there who think the two sides will come to a compromise and we'll have NBA hoops before the end of this year. I read a column from one basketball writer -- Mark Heisler from the L.A. Times, -- who still thinks the season is going to start December 1. Personally, I'm not counting on a season. But I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong.
PMatic, we need to find out if there's a limit on the stretch rule. For instance, what if a team cuts 3-4 underperforming dudes, that means 5 years from now, they could have say, 15 million dollars tied on 4 guys that have been gone for years?
That could get ABUSED if a team just starts cutting bad contracts and want to re-build quicker, have teams owin 20 mil in a season in which half those players are already retired.
There must be some limit but I either skipped over it or it hasn't been said.
That could get ABUSED if a team just starts cutting bad contracts and want to re-build quicker, have teams owin 20 mil in a season in which half those players are already retired.
PMatic, we need to find out if there's a limit on the stretch rule. For instance, what if a team cuts 3-4 underperforming dudes, that means 5 years from now, they could have say, 15 million dollars tied on 4 guys that have been gone for years?
That could get ABUSED if a team just starts cutting bad contracts and want to re-build quicker, have teams owin 20 mil in a season in which half those players are already retired.
There must be some limit but I either skipped over it or it hasn't been said.
That could get ABUSED if a team just starts cutting bad contracts and want to re-build quicker, have teams owin 20 mil in a season in which half those players are already retired.
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So it will be 1 per year is how you interpret that?
My point still holds true then, you waive a guy and stretch 3 mil over 7 years
Next year, same thing, diff player
Next year, same thing.
That means in 2016, I now have 9 mil owed to 3 guys not on my roster. If you do the same in 2014 and 2015, you could be up to 15 mil in 2016, all tied up.
I don't know if a bunch of teams will have something like that ,but it is a possibility somebody could use it as such.
In fact, if you were at your window, say a solid core, need a bump, sign 3-4 players all at once to nice deals, cut them one by one after you make your run, but stay under the threshold the whole time. Seem feasible? These are the types of things teams will go for right away to beat the system so to speak. Just gonna create a whole new slew of issues unless owners/GM's start playin smart with their money.
My point still holds true then, you waive a guy and stretch 3 mil over 7 years
Next year, same thing, diff player
Next year, same thing.
That means in 2016, I now have 9 mil owed to 3 guys not on my roster. If you do the same in 2014 and 2015, you could be up to 15 mil in 2016, all tied up.
I don't know if a bunch of teams will have something like that ,but it is a possibility somebody could use it as such.
In fact, if you were at your window, say a solid core, need a bump, sign 3-4 players all at once to nice deals, cut them one by one after you make your run, but stay under the threshold the whole time. Seem feasible? These are the types of things teams will go for right away to beat the system so to speak. Just gonna create a whole new slew of issues unless owners/GM's start playin smart with their money.
So it will be 1 per year is how you interpret that?
My point still holds true then, you waive a guy and stretch 3 mil over 7 years
Next year, same thing, diff player
Next year, same thing.
That means in 2016, I now have 9 mil owed to 3 guys not on my roster. If you do the same in 2014 and 2015, you could be up to 15 mil in 2016, all tied up.
I don't know if a bunch of teams will have something like that ,but it is a possibility somebody could use it as such.
In fact, if you were at your window, say a solid core, need a bump, sign 3-4 players all at once to nice deals, cut them one by one after you make your run, but stay under the threshold the whole time. Seem feasible? These are the types of things teams will go for right away to beat the system so to speak. Just gonna create a whole new slew of issues unless owners/GM's start playin smart with their money.
My point still holds true then, you waive a guy and stretch 3 mil over 7 years
Next year, same thing, diff player
Next year, same thing.
That means in 2016, I now have 9 mil owed to 3 guys not on my roster. If you do the same in 2014 and 2015, you could be up to 15 mil in 2016, all tied up.
I don't know if a bunch of teams will have something like that ,but it is a possibility somebody could use it as such.
In fact, if you were at your window, say a solid core, need a bump, sign 3-4 players all at once to nice deals, cut them one by one after you make your run, but stay under the threshold the whole time. Seem feasible? These are the types of things teams will go for right away to beat the system so to speak. Just gonna create a whole new slew of issues unless owners/GM's start playin smart with their money.
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I can dave you the time cp at that point they will blame big market teams and have another lock out
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I can dave you the time cp at that point they will blame big market teams and have another lock out
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I think my favorite part of today's BS Report is Billy Hunter's quote on GMs. "They got to stop recycling these GMs"
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I think my favorite part of today's BS Report is Billy Hunter's quote on GMs. "They got to stop recycling these GMs"
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It's true
I just need this $**% to be over with. So depressing. In 99 I was too busy to notice it as much
I just need this $**% to be over with. So depressing. In 99 I was too busy to notice it as much
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It's true
I just need this $**% to be over with. So depressing. In 99 I was too busy to notice it as much
I just need this $**% to be over with. So depressing. In 99 I was too busy to notice it as much
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The NBA will be cancelling at least two more weeks of its season, according to a person familiar with the league's plans.
The source told the Daily News that the announcement will be made by the league on Tuesday.
With talks broken off between the owners and players, and the two sides far apart on major "system" issues, the cancellations are expected to total at least 102 more games, through Nov. 28. No further talks are in the works.
The league made its first cancellations, totalling 100 games and running from the Nov. 1 season opener through Nov. 14, on Oct. 10. Commissioner David Stern had said last week on WFAN that he thought that the league’s showcase Christmas Day games would be cancelled if a deal had not been reached by last Tuesday.
But even with the impasse at the bargaining table, the feeling is that the league still thinks it can get a deal and save its traditional Christmas games. Included in that is the Knicks-Boston game at the Garden. Locked-out NBA players say they want to return to the bargaining table, but that they are not going to accept the owners’ precondition of accepting a 50-50 split to be able to resume talks.
"I will call them to see if they want to get back together," Billy Hunter said on Bill Simmons' ESPN podcast Monday. "But if they still say they'll only meet if I accept their 50-50 (proposal), to me that's a non-starter. I can't agree to meet if I don’t know what is going to happen on the other issues. That is intolerable."
Owners and players have not talked since they left their last round of negotiations dug in on various "system" issues dealing with a new harder salary cap favored by owners and the preservation of the soft cap favored by players.
During the last session, owners rejected the players’ demands on the critical issue of "give-backs." For taking less of the split of $4 billion, and lowering their demands to 52.5% of the revenue, players wanted to use that to trade for more favorable features in the system.
"What we told the players is that we could not trade one for the other," said NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver, after owners raised their offer on the split to 50-50. According to commissioner David Stern, it will take a month to put the new collective bargaining agreement in writing, conduct free agency for upwards of 150 players, and run a short training camp and an abbreviated preseason schedule. In the best-case scenario, Stern has said, it might be able to cut the start-up period to 28 days. Stern received a lot of publicity last week for saying that Christmas Day games would be lost if the two sides didn’t reach a deal as they met under the guidance of federal mediator George Cohen.
Stern missed the final session with Cohen due to the flu and has not commented since on the lack of progress or how many more games will be lost.
The source told the Daily News that the announcement will be made by the league on Tuesday.
With talks broken off between the owners and players, and the two sides far apart on major "system" issues, the cancellations are expected to total at least 102 more games, through Nov. 28. No further talks are in the works.
The league made its first cancellations, totalling 100 games and running from the Nov. 1 season opener through Nov. 14, on Oct. 10. Commissioner David Stern had said last week on WFAN that he thought that the league’s showcase Christmas Day games would be cancelled if a deal had not been reached by last Tuesday.
But even with the impasse at the bargaining table, the feeling is that the league still thinks it can get a deal and save its traditional Christmas games. Included in that is the Knicks-Boston game at the Garden. Locked-out NBA players say they want to return to the bargaining table, but that they are not going to accept the owners’ precondition of accepting a 50-50 split to be able to resume talks.
"I will call them to see if they want to get back together," Billy Hunter said on Bill Simmons' ESPN podcast Monday. "But if they still say they'll only meet if I accept their 50-50 (proposal), to me that's a non-starter. I can't agree to meet if I don’t know what is going to happen on the other issues. That is intolerable."
Owners and players have not talked since they left their last round of negotiations dug in on various "system" issues dealing with a new harder salary cap favored by owners and the preservation of the soft cap favored by players.
During the last session, owners rejected the players’ demands on the critical issue of "give-backs." For taking less of the split of $4 billion, and lowering their demands to 52.5% of the revenue, players wanted to use that to trade for more favorable features in the system.
"What we told the players is that we could not trade one for the other," said NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver, after owners raised their offer on the split to 50-50. According to commissioner David Stern, it will take a month to put the new collective bargaining agreement in writing, conduct free agency for upwards of 150 players, and run a short training camp and an abbreviated preseason schedule. In the best-case scenario, Stern has said, it might be able to cut the start-up period to 28 days. Stern received a lot of publicity last week for saying that Christmas Day games would be lost if the two sides didn’t reach a deal as they met under the guidance of federal mediator George Cohen.
Stern missed the final session with Cohen due to the flu and has not commented since on the lack of progress or how many more games will be lost.
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The NBA will be cancelling at least two more weeks of its season, according to a person familiar with the league's plans.
The source told the Daily News that the announcement will be made by the league on Tuesday.
With talks broken off between the owners and players, and the two sides far apart on major "system" issues, the cancellations are expected to total at least 102 more games, through Nov. 28. No further talks are in the works.
The league made its first cancellations, totalling 100 games and running from the Nov. 1 season opener through Nov. 14, on Oct. 10. Commissioner David Stern had said last week on WFAN that he thought that the league’s showcase Christmas Day games would be cancelled if a deal had not been reached by last Tuesday.
But even with the impasse at the bargaining table, the feeling is that the league still thinks it can get a deal and save its traditional Christmas games. Included in that is the Knicks-Boston game at the Garden. Locked-out NBA players say they want to return to the bargaining table, but that they are not going to accept the owners’ precondition of accepting a 50-50 split to be able to resume talks.
"I will call them to see if they want to get back together," Billy Hunter said on Bill Simmons' ESPN podcast Monday. "But if they still say they'll only meet if I accept their 50-50 (proposal), to me that's a non-starter. I can't agree to meet if I don’t know what is going to happen on the other issues. That is intolerable."
Owners and players have not talked since they left their last round of negotiations dug in on various "system" issues dealing with a new harder salary cap favored by owners and the preservation of the soft cap favored by players.
During the last session, owners rejected the players’ demands on the critical issue of "give-backs." For taking less of the split of $4 billion, and lowering their demands to 52.5% of the revenue, players wanted to use that to trade for more favorable features in the system.
"What we told the players is that we could not trade one for the other," said NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver, after owners raised their offer on the split to 50-50. According to commissioner David Stern, it will take a month to put the new collective bargaining agreement in writing, conduct free agency for upwards of 150 players, and run a short training camp and an abbreviated preseason schedule. In the best-case scenario, Stern has said, it might be able to cut the start-up period to 28 days. Stern received a lot of publicity last week for saying that Christmas Day games would be lost if the two sides didn’t reach a deal as they met under the guidance of federal mediator George Cohen.
Stern missed the final session with Cohen due to the flu and has not commented since on the lack of progress or how many more games will be lost.
The source told the Daily News that the announcement will be made by the league on Tuesday.
With talks broken off between the owners and players, and the two sides far apart on major "system" issues, the cancellations are expected to total at least 102 more games, through Nov. 28. No further talks are in the works.
The league made its first cancellations, totalling 100 games and running from the Nov. 1 season opener through Nov. 14, on Oct. 10. Commissioner David Stern had said last week on WFAN that he thought that the league’s showcase Christmas Day games would be cancelled if a deal had not been reached by last Tuesday.
But even with the impasse at the bargaining table, the feeling is that the league still thinks it can get a deal and save its traditional Christmas games. Included in that is the Knicks-Boston game at the Garden. Locked-out NBA players say they want to return to the bargaining table, but that they are not going to accept the owners’ precondition of accepting a 50-50 split to be able to resume talks.
"I will call them to see if they want to get back together," Billy Hunter said on Bill Simmons' ESPN podcast Monday. "But if they still say they'll only meet if I accept their 50-50 (proposal), to me that's a non-starter. I can't agree to meet if I don’t know what is going to happen on the other issues. That is intolerable."
Owners and players have not talked since they left their last round of negotiations dug in on various "system" issues dealing with a new harder salary cap favored by owners and the preservation of the soft cap favored by players.
During the last session, owners rejected the players’ demands on the critical issue of "give-backs." For taking less of the split of $4 billion, and lowering their demands to 52.5% of the revenue, players wanted to use that to trade for more favorable features in the system.
"What we told the players is that we could not trade one for the other," said NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver, after owners raised their offer on the split to 50-50. According to commissioner David Stern, it will take a month to put the new collective bargaining agreement in writing, conduct free agency for upwards of 150 players, and run a short training camp and an abbreviated preseason schedule. In the best-case scenario, Stern has said, it might be able to cut the start-up period to 28 days. Stern received a lot of publicity last week for saying that Christmas Day games would be lost if the two sides didn’t reach a deal as they met under the guidance of federal mediator George Cohen.
Stern missed the final session with Cohen due to the flu and has not commented since on the lack of progress or how many more games will be lost.
