The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap

New York Daily News
[h1]NBA lockout continues, league will cancel at least two more weeks, source says, announcement Tuesday[/h1]
BY FRANK ISOLA AND MITCH LAWRENCE
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

The NBA will be cancelling at least two more weeks of its season, according to a person familiar with the league's plans.

The source told the Daily News that the announcement will be made by the league on Tuesday.

With talks broken off between the owners and players, and the two sides far apart on major "system" issues, the cancellations are expected to total at least 102 more games, through Nov. 28. No further talks are in the works.

The league made its first cancellations, totalling 100 games and running from the Nov. 1 season opener through Nov. 14, on Oct. 10. Commissioner David Stern had said last week on WFAN that he thought that the league’s showcase Christmas Day games would be cancelled if a deal had not been reached by last Tuesday.

But even with the impasse at the bargaining table, the feeling is that the league still thinks it can get a deal and save its traditional Christmas games. Included in that is the Knicks-Boston game at the Garden. Locked-out NBA players say they want to return to the bargaining table, but that they are not going to accept the owners’ precondition of accepting a 50-50 split to be able to resume talks.

"I will call them to see if they want to get back together," Billy Hunter said on Bill SimmonsESPN podcast Monday. "But if they still say they'll only meet if I accept their 50-50 (proposal), to me that's a non-starter. I can't agree to meet if I don’t know what is going to happen on the other issues. That is intolerable."

Owners and players have not talked since they left their last round of negotiations dug in on various "system" issues dealing with a new harder salary cap favored by owners and the preservation of the soft cap favored by players.

During the last session, owners rejected the players’ demands on the critical issue of "give-backs." For taking less of the split of $4 billion, and lowering their demands to 52.5% of the revenue, players wanted to use that to trade for more favorable features in the system.

"What we told the players is that we could not trade one for the other," said NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver, after owners raised their offer on the split to 50-50. According to commissioner David Stern, it will take a month to put the new collective bargaining agreement in writing, conduct free agency for upwards of 150 players, and run a short training camp and an abbreviated preseason schedule. In the best-case scenario, Stern has said, it might be able to cut the start-up period to 28 days. Stern received a lot of publicity last week for saying that Christmas Day games would be lost if the two sides didn’t reach a deal as they met under the guidance of federal mediator George Cohen.

Stern missed the final session with Cohen due to the flu and has not commented since on the lack of progress or how many more games will be lost.

CLOUD OVER STARS
A six-game global tour of the NBA’s top stars, including Kobe BryantLeBron JamesKevin DurantDwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony, might not be opening on Saturday in San Juan, as has been scheduled. The first game of the two-week tour has had trouble securing written commitments from several of the 18 players who had been promised by game organizers. If the game doesn’t come off, it could jeopardize the rest of the schedule, which includes stops in LondonMacau and Melbourne. Bryant and James are among the players who are expected to pocket more than $1 million for their participation.
 
New York Daily News
[h1]NBA lockout continues, league will cancel at least two more weeks, source says, announcement Tuesday[/h1]
BY FRANK ISOLA AND MITCH LAWRENCE
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

The NBA will be cancelling at least two more weeks of its season, according to a person familiar with the league's plans.

The source told the Daily News that the announcement will be made by the league on Tuesday.

With talks broken off between the owners and players, and the two sides far apart on major "system" issues, the cancellations are expected to total at least 102 more games, through Nov. 28. No further talks are in the works.

The league made its first cancellations, totalling 100 games and running from the Nov. 1 season opener through Nov. 14, on Oct. 10. Commissioner David Stern had said last week on WFAN that he thought that the league’s showcase Christmas Day games would be cancelled if a deal had not been reached by last Tuesday.

But even with the impasse at the bargaining table, the feeling is that the league still thinks it can get a deal and save its traditional Christmas games. Included in that is the Knicks-Boston game at the Garden. Locked-out NBA players say they want to return to the bargaining table, but that they are not going to accept the owners’ precondition of accepting a 50-50 split to be able to resume talks.

"I will call them to see if they want to get back together," Billy Hunter said on Bill SimmonsESPN podcast Monday. "But if they still say they'll only meet if I accept their 50-50 (proposal), to me that's a non-starter. I can't agree to meet if I don’t know what is going to happen on the other issues. That is intolerable."

Owners and players have not talked since they left their last round of negotiations dug in on various "system" issues dealing with a new harder salary cap favored by owners and the preservation of the soft cap favored by players.

During the last session, owners rejected the players’ demands on the critical issue of "give-backs." For taking less of the split of $4 billion, and lowering their demands to 52.5% of the revenue, players wanted to use that to trade for more favorable features in the system.

"What we told the players is that we could not trade one for the other," said NBA deputy commissioner Adam Silver, after owners raised their offer on the split to 50-50. According to commissioner David Stern, it will take a month to put the new collective bargaining agreement in writing, conduct free agency for upwards of 150 players, and run a short training camp and an abbreviated preseason schedule. In the best-case scenario, Stern has said, it might be able to cut the start-up period to 28 days. Stern received a lot of publicity last week for saying that Christmas Day games would be lost if the two sides didn’t reach a deal as they met under the guidance of federal mediator George Cohen.

Stern missed the final session with Cohen due to the flu and has not commented since on the lack of progress or how many more games will be lost.

CLOUD OVER STARS
A six-game global tour of the NBA’s top stars, including Kobe BryantLeBron JamesKevin DurantDwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony, might not be opening on Saturday in San Juan, as has been scheduled. The first game of the two-week tour has had trouble securing written commitments from several of the 18 players who had been promised by game organizers. If the game doesn’t come off, it could jeopardize the rest of the schedule, which includes stops in LondonMacau and Melbourne. Bryant and James are among the players who are expected to pocket more than $1 million for their participation.
 
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Feels bad man.
 
Am I the only one who feels this world tour is a bad idea? I feel that it shows how "selfish" players really are. What about all these non-superstar players? How are they supposed to attain any sort of income? It's much easier for Superstars, who are already set financially to earn side income as opposed to the other 350 players in the league.
 
Am I the only one who feels this world tour is a bad idea? I feel that it shows how "selfish" players really are. What about all these non-superstar players? How are they supposed to attain any sort of income? It's much easier for Superstars, who are already set financially to earn side income as opposed to the other 350 players in the league.
 
Originally Posted by MyJaysGetRocked

Am I the only one who feels this world tour is a bad idea? I feel that it shows how "selfish" players really are. What about all these non-superstar players? How are they supposed to attain any sort of income? It's much easier for Superstars, who are already set financially to earn side income as opposed to the other 350 players in the league.
How does everyone sitting on their couch help anyone? Maybe they want to show the owners that its not that hard to find suitable venues and gather all the money makers of the NBA together and make a ton of revenue. Or maybe they just want extra money. I think they should tour and do tournament style games (something like 3 stars per team, bunch of roleplayers) - it'd be competition and everyone would get paid. But it doesn't really matter.

If the other 350 players want to earn money so bad, they could've gone overseas like a bunch of players did. It's insured and they come back to the NBA once the lockout is over. There are a TON of players playing overseas making money (horrible players and franchise players), if they wanted to do it, they could've. I think people and the media are underrating how prepared the large majority of these guys are for the lockout. The knuckleheads that are living pay check to pay check can easily go to Europe and play ball. It won't be NBA money but its still 6 figures after taxes, home, cars, etc.
 
Originally Posted by MyJaysGetRocked

Am I the only one who feels this world tour is a bad idea? I feel that it shows how "selfish" players really are. What about all these non-superstar players? How are they supposed to attain any sort of income? It's much easier for Superstars, who are already set financially to earn side income as opposed to the other 350 players in the league.
How does everyone sitting on their couch help anyone? Maybe they want to show the owners that its not that hard to find suitable venues and gather all the money makers of the NBA together and make a ton of revenue. Or maybe they just want extra money. I think they should tour and do tournament style games (something like 3 stars per team, bunch of roleplayers) - it'd be competition and everyone would get paid. But it doesn't really matter.

If the other 350 players want to earn money so bad, they could've gone overseas like a bunch of players did. It's insured and they come back to the NBA once the lockout is over. There are a TON of players playing overseas making money (horrible players and franchise players), if they wanted to do it, they could've. I think people and the media are underrating how prepared the large majority of these guys are for the lockout. The knuckleheads that are living pay check to pay check can easily go to Europe and play ball. It won't be NBA money but its still 6 figures after taxes, home, cars, etc.
 
Originally Posted by mgrand15

Originally Posted by MyJaysGetRocked

Am I the only one who feels this world tour is a bad idea? I feel that it shows how "selfish" players really are. What about all these non-superstar players? How are they supposed to attain any sort of income? It's much easier for Superstars, who are already set financially to earn side income as opposed to the other 350 players in the league.
If the other 350 players want to earn money so bad, they could've gone overseas like a bunch of players did. It's insured and they come back to the NBA once the lockout is over. There are a TON of players playing overseas making money (horrible players and franchise players), if they wanted to do it, they could've. I think people and the media are underrating how prepared the large majority of these guys are for the lockout. The knuckleheads that are living pay check to pay check can easily go to Europe and play ball. It won't be NBA money but its still 6 figures after taxes, home, cars, etc.
Euro teams (the only teams that NBA players would go to outside of China) only allow two foreign-born players per team. So 350 guys can't just find another job somewhere else in the world. And if they go to China, they're stuck there until the end of the Chinese season. And it's well-documented that Europe isn't a guaranteed paycheck (bounced checks are common). It's not some magical backup plan, it's a tremendous risk and not feasible for most players, especially those relying on a guarantee. And if Chris Paul decides he wants to play on a team, you know damn well that team is taking him over Joe Schmo from the crop of 350+ players. So no, there aren't a lot of options for those lesser players.
 
Originally Posted by mgrand15

Originally Posted by MyJaysGetRocked

Am I the only one who feels this world tour is a bad idea? I feel that it shows how "selfish" players really are. What about all these non-superstar players? How are they supposed to attain any sort of income? It's much easier for Superstars, who are already set financially to earn side income as opposed to the other 350 players in the league.
If the other 350 players want to earn money so bad, they could've gone overseas like a bunch of players did. It's insured and they come back to the NBA once the lockout is over. There are a TON of players playing overseas making money (horrible players and franchise players), if they wanted to do it, they could've. I think people and the media are underrating how prepared the large majority of these guys are for the lockout. The knuckleheads that are living pay check to pay check can easily go to Europe and play ball. It won't be NBA money but its still 6 figures after taxes, home, cars, etc.
Euro teams (the only teams that NBA players would go to outside of China) only allow two foreign-born players per team. So 350 guys can't just find another job somewhere else in the world. And if they go to China, they're stuck there until the end of the Chinese season. And it's well-documented that Europe isn't a guaranteed paycheck (bounced checks are common). It's not some magical backup plan, it's a tremendous risk and not feasible for most players, especially those relying on a guarantee. And if Chris Paul decides he wants to play on a team, you know damn well that team is taking him over Joe Schmo from the crop of 350+ players. So no, there aren't a lot of options for those lesser players.
 
Originally Posted by dmbrhs

Originally Posted by mgrand15

Originally Posted by MyJaysGetRocked

Am I the only one who feels this world tour is a bad idea? I feel that it shows how "selfish" players really are. What about all these non-superstar players? How are they supposed to attain any sort of income? It's much easier for Superstars, who are already set financially to earn side income as opposed to the other 350 players in the league.
If the other 350 players want to earn money so bad, they could've gone overseas like a bunch of players did. It's insured and they come back to the NBA once the lockout is over. There are a TON of players playing overseas making money (horrible players and franchise players), if they wanted to do it, they could've. I think people and the media are underrating how prepared the large majority of these guys are for the lockout. The knuckleheads that are living pay check to pay check can easily go to Europe and play ball. It won't be NBA money but its still 6 figures after taxes, home, cars, etc.
Euro teams (the only teams that NBA players would go to outside of China) only allow two foreign-born players per team. So 350 guys can't just find another job somewhere else in the world. And if they go to China, they're stuck there until the end of the Chinese season. And it's well-documented that Europe isn't a guaranteed paycheck (bounced checks are common). It's not some magical backup plan, it's a tremendous risk and not feasible for most players, especially those relying on a guarantee. And if Chris Paul decides he wants to play on a team, you know damn well that team is taking him over Joe Schmo from the crop of 350+ players. So no, there aren't a lot of options for those lesser players.
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Originally Posted by dmbrhs

Originally Posted by mgrand15

Originally Posted by MyJaysGetRocked

Am I the only one who feels this world tour is a bad idea? I feel that it shows how "selfish" players really are. What about all these non-superstar players? How are they supposed to attain any sort of income? It's much easier for Superstars, who are already set financially to earn side income as opposed to the other 350 players in the league.
If the other 350 players want to earn money so bad, they could've gone overseas like a bunch of players did. It's insured and they come back to the NBA once the lockout is over. There are a TON of players playing overseas making money (horrible players and franchise players), if they wanted to do it, they could've. I think people and the media are underrating how prepared the large majority of these guys are for the lockout. The knuckleheads that are living pay check to pay check can easily go to Europe and play ball. It won't be NBA money but its still 6 figures after taxes, home, cars, etc.
Euro teams (the only teams that NBA players would go to outside of China) only allow two foreign-born players per team. So 350 guys can't just find another job somewhere else in the world. And if they go to China, they're stuck there until the end of the Chinese season. And it's well-documented that Europe isn't a guaranteed paycheck (bounced checks are common). It's not some magical backup plan, it's a tremendous risk and not feasible for most players, especially those relying on a guarantee. And if Chris Paul decides he wants to play on a team, you know damn well that team is taking him over Joe Schmo from the crop of 350+ players. So no, there aren't a lot of options for those lesser players.
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they might as well cancel the entire season....i dont really want to see a season thats like 50 games...as much i as i love the game a short season wouldnt be enjoyable for me...
 
they might as well cancel the entire season....i dont really want to see a season thats like 50 games...as much i as i love the game a short season wouldnt be enjoyable for me...
 
I wouldn't mind a short season. When you add the playoff schedule, the NBA season is *+$# long. 
 
I wouldn't mind a short season. When you add the playoff schedule, the NBA season is *+$# long. 
 
I assume teams would be mad that instant sell out like the heat lakes and Knicks would be pissed about missing those gates during a shortened season
 
I assume teams would be mad that instant sell out like the heat lakes and Knicks would be pissed about missing those gates during a shortened season
 
I don't mind a shortened season, last time it happened a lot of great players entered the league. Also less injuries would happen due to wear and tear.
 
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