The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap

[mjgreatxii]

Originally Posted by MrONegative

TrueHoop Henry Abbott

Checketts at end, after call waiting beeps: "I'm being told now ... perhaps they've taken a step back, it's not as close as I thought."

 

[mjgreatxii]

Double post..  

 at yuku

 

[mjgreatxii]

Double post..  

 at yuku

 

[Bert.]

Originally Posted by MrONegative

TrueHoop Henry Abbott

Checketts at end, after call waiting beeps: "I'm being told now ... perhaps they've taken a step back, it's not as close as I thought."

 

[Bert.]

Originally Posted by MrONegative

TrueHoop Henry Abbott

Checketts at end, after call waiting beeps: "I'm being told now ... perhaps they've taken a step back, it's not as close as I thought."

 

[lawdog1]

For Checketts to put himself out there and say there was deal before any announcement was a pretty dumb move for a guy who I thought was decently smart. Did he really need some attention that badly?

 

[lawdog1]

For Checketts to put himself out there and say there was deal before any announcement was a pretty dumb move for a guy who I thought was decently smart. Did he really need some attention that badly?

 

[beware the underdog]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by DubA169

Originally Posted by CP1708

If this season is lost because of @#$%^& small market owners, everyone that doesn't have me on ignore already better start.  Even people that like me will want to ignore me.  I'm going to go postal if those bunch of flaming two faced vaginas get their loser way. 

It was all good when the knicks, bulls, Celtics sucked. Even the lakers for a bit But now all of a sudden the system isn't fair Ridiculous

EXACTLY.  When they resigned that deal in 05-06, life was good.  Two faced #!$!%#**%$%#!.  Sarver and Gilbert and Holt were livin the high life then, NOW they all suck and blame market size.  !!#*+# cowards. 

  

Deal with it.

Originally Posted by Da R Entertainment

Originally Posted by DubA169

alanhahn Alan Hahn
The "competitive balance" refrain by Silver was clear message that small market teams will rule day. I'm told Holt (Spurs) is unrelenting.

alanhahn Alan Hahn
This is no longer about taking from the players. This is now owners vs owners. Haves vs Have-Nots. The players need not be in the room.



So the spurs are mad their run is over, so we don't get to watch ball. It really does seem like losing teams are just pissy and taking things out on everyone

This $$%*!%! is pissed that Timmy is going to leave his wack +*! team.  This ++@% is really pissing me off now

  

 

[beware the underdog]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by DubA169

Originally Posted by CP1708

If this season is lost because of @#$%^& small market owners, everyone that doesn't have me on ignore already better start.  Even people that like me will want to ignore me.  I'm going to go postal if those bunch of flaming two faced vaginas get their loser way. 

It was all good when the knicks, bulls, Celtics sucked. Even the lakers for a bit But now all of a sudden the system isn't fair Ridiculous

EXACTLY.  When they resigned that deal in 05-06, life was good.  Two faced #!$!%#**%$%#!.  Sarver and Gilbert and Holt were livin the high life then, NOW they all suck and blame market size.  !!#*+# cowards. 

  

Deal with it.

Originally Posted by Da R Entertainment

Originally Posted by DubA169

alanhahn Alan Hahn
The "competitive balance" refrain by Silver was clear message that small market teams will rule day. I'm told Holt (Spurs) is unrelenting.

alanhahn Alan Hahn
This is no longer about taking from the players. This is now owners vs owners. Haves vs Have-Nots. The players need not be in the room.



So the spurs are mad their run is over, so we don't get to watch ball. It really does seem like losing teams are just pissy and taking things out on everyone

This $$%*!%! is pissed that Timmy is going to leave his wack +*! team.  This ++@% is really pissing me off now

  

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Originally Posted by Beware The Underdog

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by DubA169



It was all good when the knicks, bulls, Celtics sucked. Even the lakers for a bit But now all of a sudden the system isn't fair Ridiculous

EXACTLY.  When they resigned that deal in 05-06, life was good.  Two faced #!$!%#**%$%#!.  Sarver and Gilbert and Holt were livin the high life then, NOW they all suck and blame market size.  !!#*+# cowards. 

  

Deal with it.

Originally Posted by Da R Entertainment

Originally Posted by DubA169

alanhahn Alan Hahn
The "competitive balance" refrain by Silver was clear message that small market teams will rule day. I'm told Holt (Spurs) is unrelenting.

alanhahn Alan Hahn
This is no longer about taking from the players. This is now owners vs owners. Haves vs Have-Nots. The players need not be in the room.



So the spurs are mad their run is over, so we don't get to watch ball. It really does seem like losing teams are just pissy and taking things out on everyone

This $$%*!%! is pissed that Timmy is going to leave his wack +*! team.  This ++@% is really pissing me off now

  

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Originally Posted by Beware The Underdog

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by DubA169



It was all good when the knicks, bulls, Celtics sucked. Even the lakers for a bit But now all of a sudden the system isn't fair Ridiculous

EXACTLY.  When they resigned that deal in 05-06, life was good.  Two faced #!$!%#**%$%#!.  Sarver and Gilbert and Holt were livin the high life then, NOW they all suck and blame market size.  !!#*+# cowards. 

  

Deal with it.

Originally Posted by Da R Entertainment

Originally Posted by DubA169

alanhahn Alan Hahn
The "competitive balance" refrain by Silver was clear message that small market teams will rule day. I'm told Holt (Spurs) is unrelenting.

alanhahn Alan Hahn
This is no longer about taking from the players. This is now owners vs owners. Haves vs Have-Nots. The players need not be in the room.



So the spurs are mad their run is over, so we don't get to watch ball. It really does seem like losing teams are just pissy and taking things out on everyone

This $$%*!%! is pissed that Timmy is going to leave his wack +*! team.  This ++@% is really pissing me off now

  

 

[university of nike]

Spurs were going to be bottom feeders this year - makes sense that their *%*@@$% owner is crying.

 

[university of nike]

Spurs were going to be bottom feeders this year - makes sense that their *%*@@$% owner is crying.

 

[beware the underdog]

Originally Posted by University of Nike

Spurs were going to be bottom feeders this year - makes sense that their *%*@@$% owner is crying.

*looks at sig*

Son your the last person that should be talking about owners.

  

 

[beware the underdog]

Originally Posted by University of Nike

Spurs were going to be bottom feeders this year - makes sense that their *%*@@$% owner is crying.

*looks at sig*

Son your the last person that should be talking about owners.

  

 

[al3xis]

NBA scouts weren't allowed to attend HS games since the 1 and done rule was implemented...and this comes out just now..
FinkelsteinNERR Adam Finkelstein 

Just got word from NBA league office: NBA scouts will be permitted to attend next weekend's National Prep Showcase in New Haven, CT

 

[al3xis]

NBA scouts weren't allowed to attend HS games since the 1 and done rule was implemented...and this comes out just now..
FinkelsteinNERR Adam Finkelstein 

Just got word from NBA league office: NBA scouts will be permitted to attend next weekend's National Prep Showcase in New Haven, CT

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Originally Posted by Beware The Underdog

Originally Posted by University of Nike

Spurs were going to be bottom feeders this year - makes sense that their *%*@@$% owner is crying.

*looks at sig*

Son your the last person that should be talking about owners.

Wouldn't it be cool though, if Duncan got hurt and is forced to sit out the year giving them the #1 selection in the draft and they pick another big man stud?!?! Twin Towers PT 2

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Originally Posted by Beware The Underdog

Originally Posted by University of Nike

Spurs were going to be bottom feeders this year - makes sense that their *%*@@$% owner is crying.

*looks at sig*

Son your the last person that should be talking about owners.

Wouldn't it be cool though, if Duncan got hurt and is forced to sit out the year giving them the #1 selection in the draft and they pick another big man stud?!?! Twin Towers PT 2

 

[pmatic]

Between 2001 and 2008, the Spurs won nineteen playoff series. Since then, only one playoff series.

No wonder Holt is being a hard liner...

 

[pmatic]

Between 2001 and 2008, the Spurs won nineteen playoff series. Since then, only one playoff series.

No wonder Holt is being a hard liner...

 

[beware the underdog]

Originally Posted by rck2sactown


Wouldn't it be cool though, if Duncan got hurt and is forced to sit out the year giving them the #1 selection in the draft and they pick another big man stud?!?! Twin Towers PT 2

It won't be cool because this could possibly be Timmy's last year.

 

[beware the underdog]

Originally Posted by rck2sactown


Wouldn't it be cool though, if Duncan got hurt and is forced to sit out the year giving them the #1 selection in the draft and they pick another big man stud?!?! Twin Towers PT 2

It won't be cool because this could possibly be Timmy's last year.

 

[pmatic]

Progress on mid-level, but other hurdles emerge

Negotiators for the league and players' association made modest progress on the use of the mid-level exception for luxury tax-paying teams Thursday, but other guidelines governing exceptions and the tax level emerged as a new sticking point, three people briefed on the labor talks told CBSSports.com.

One of the people said league negotiators signaled a willingness to raise the so-called "mini mid-level" to three years starting at $3 million for teams above the luxury-tax level, to be available every other year. The previous offer was a two-year deal starting at $2.5 million, available every other year to tax teams. There was no indication union negotiators were ready to agree to this slight improvement in the owners' proposal, as it would reduce the mid-level exception for tax teams from last year's five-year, $37 million total to three years and $9 million for teams above the tax line.

Also Thursday, a new hurdle emerged in the discussion over when teams would face the new restrictions owners are proposing for teams above the luxury tax threshold. Two of the people briefed on the talks said owners were pushing for teams under the tax at the time of the transaction to be restricted from using the full mid-level -- four-year deals starting at $5 million -- if the signing put the team over the tax. In that case, the team would be restricted to use of the mini mid-level. Union negotiators want the new restrictions to be based on where a team's payroll sits in relation to the tax prior to the use of the exception -- not where it stands afterward.

After a 12-hour session Wednesday produced minimal progress, the two sides pushed past the eight-hour mark Thursday with the threat looming that league negotiators would pull their existing offer off the table and replace it with a worse one. The new offer, originally scheduled to be furnished to the players at 5 p.m. Wednesday but delayed due to the ongoing talks, would feature a 53-47 economic split in favor of the owners and also would include a hard team salary cap and rollbacks of existing contracts. The two sides currently are negotiating off a league proposal that would give the players a 50 percent share of revenue and maintain a soft-cap system -- albeit with a vastly more onerous luxury tax system, more restrictions on exceptions, shorter contracts and smaller annual raises.

On Tuesday, union officials held a meeting with more than 40 players, including 29 team player reps, and signaled a willingness to meet the NBA on its 50-50 economic split provided that a list of five or six system-related issues could be resolved to the players' satisfaction. One of the roadblocks in the talks, according to multiple people involved in the process, is that players who previously did not realize how severe the owners' proposal was had become emboldened to push for significant concessions on the remaining system points. Even if and when a deal is reached, agents who have long opposed the concessions delivered to the league by union negotiators will be advising their clients to review the proposal closely and vote against it if it isn't substantially different than what the players learned about Tuesday.

"The players aren't going to be hoodwinked on this one," one such agent told CBSSports.com.

Also slowing progress in the bargaining room, according to one of the people briefed on the talks, was the fact that the league still has not fully shared details of its plans to enhance revenue sharing -- a mechanism that would redistribute money from high-revenue teams to low-revenue teams at supposedly more aggressive rate than previously. Hard-line players and agents are resisting further system concessions, which the league says it needs to create more competitive balance, until it becomes clear what owners are going to do in that regard through revenue sharing.
Link

Three year contracts worth $9 million is the perfect amount for "MLE-caliber" in most cases.

 

[pmatic]

Progress on mid-level, but other hurdles emerge

Negotiators for the league and players' association made modest progress on the use of the mid-level exception for luxury tax-paying teams Thursday, but other guidelines governing exceptions and the tax level emerged as a new sticking point, three people briefed on the labor talks told CBSSports.com.

One of the people said league negotiators signaled a willingness to raise the so-called "mini mid-level" to three years starting at $3 million for teams above the luxury-tax level, to be available every other year. The previous offer was a two-year deal starting at $2.5 million, available every other year to tax teams. There was no indication union negotiators were ready to agree to this slight improvement in the owners' proposal, as it would reduce the mid-level exception for tax teams from last year's five-year, $37 million total to three years and $9 million for teams above the tax line.

Also Thursday, a new hurdle emerged in the discussion over when teams would face the new restrictions owners are proposing for teams above the luxury tax threshold. Two of the people briefed on the talks said owners were pushing for teams under the tax at the time of the transaction to be restricted from using the full mid-level -- four-year deals starting at $5 million -- if the signing put the team over the tax. In that case, the team would be restricted to use of the mini mid-level. Union negotiators want the new restrictions to be based on where a team's payroll sits in relation to the tax prior to the use of the exception -- not where it stands afterward.

After a 12-hour session Wednesday produced minimal progress, the two sides pushed past the eight-hour mark Thursday with the threat looming that league negotiators would pull their existing offer off the table and replace it with a worse one. The new offer, originally scheduled to be furnished to the players at 5 p.m. Wednesday but delayed due to the ongoing talks, would feature a 53-47 economic split in favor of the owners and also would include a hard team salary cap and rollbacks of existing contracts. The two sides currently are negotiating off a league proposal that would give the players a 50 percent share of revenue and maintain a soft-cap system -- albeit with a vastly more onerous luxury tax system, more restrictions on exceptions, shorter contracts and smaller annual raises.

On Tuesday, union officials held a meeting with more than 40 players, including 29 team player reps, and signaled a willingness to meet the NBA on its 50-50 economic split provided that a list of five or six system-related issues could be resolved to the players' satisfaction. One of the roadblocks in the talks, according to multiple people involved in the process, is that players who previously did not realize how severe the owners' proposal was had become emboldened to push for significant concessions on the remaining system points. Even if and when a deal is reached, agents who have long opposed the concessions delivered to the league by union negotiators will be advising their clients to review the proposal closely and vote against it if it isn't substantially different than what the players learned about Tuesday.

"The players aren't going to be hoodwinked on this one," one such agent told CBSSports.com.

Also slowing progress in the bargaining room, according to one of the people briefed on the talks, was the fact that the league still has not fully shared details of its plans to enhance revenue sharing -- a mechanism that would redistribute money from high-revenue teams to low-revenue teams at supposedly more aggressive rate than previously. Hard-line players and agents are resisting further system concessions, which the league says it needs to create more competitive balance, until it becomes clear what owners are going to do in that regard through revenue sharing.
Link

Three year contracts worth $9 million is the perfect amount for "MLE-caliber" in most cases.