The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap

[antbanks81]

man F all these rich *+*#+, my favorite sport gonna be out because of greed and mismanagement

 

[statis22]

Decertification eh? Good luck with that.

 

[statis22]

Decertification eh? Good luck with that.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Looks like this is gonna get worse before it gets better

 

[Deleted member 38182]

Looks like this is gonna get worse before it gets better

 

[ill steelo]

My heart is broken

 

[ill steelo]

My heart is broken

 

[pmatic]

@daldridgetnt Dudley said he's heard union's last proposal to league is 53% of BRI, down from prev. offer of 54.5. currently at 57%.

@daldridgetnt If my math is anywhere near accurate-and it may not be-that is an additional $60M players would give back, based on 4B in total revenue
Edit:

Big day tomorrow (Thursday) as the NBPA will meet and talk with players in Las Vegas. Jared Dudley already has made some interesting remarks via @tribjazz.

 

[pmatic]

@daldridgetnt Dudley said he's heard union's last proposal to league is 53% of BRI, down from prev. offer of 54.5. currently at 57%.

@daldridgetnt If my math is anywhere near accurate-and it may not be-that is an additional $60M players would give back, based on 4B in total revenue
Edit:

Big day tomorrow (Thursday) as the NBPA will meet and talk with players in Las Vegas. Jared Dudley already has made some interesting remarks via @tribjazz.

 

[pmatic]

Six thoughts on the stalled labor talks

Some scattered thoughts in the wake of Tuesday’s apparent setback in labor talks:

• If negotiations break down entirely, the spotlight will shift to various legal proceedings, including the federal suit that the league filed against the union in August. The suit accused the union of using the threat of decertification and an antitrust lawsuit as a sham bargaining tactic designed to increase its leverage. The league’s complaint sought, among other things, a declaration that the lockout of the players is legal, that courts have little to no jurisdiction in the NBA’s collective bargaining dispute with the players, and that the league should be able to void all player contracts if the union does decertify.

Yahoo! Sports and ESPN.com reported late Tuesday that five high-powered agents are pushing union executive director Billy Hunter to decertify and file an antitrust suit, and may try to orchestrate a decertification vote if he chooses not to. Given that, it’s worth noting that the union is going to file its motion to dismiss the NBA’s suit on Friday. In that dismissal, its legal team will argue that the union has not made any decision to decertify or otherwise indicated that it is aggressively pursuing that option, according to two sources familiar with the matter. The motion will argue that without evidence of impending decertification, the NBA’s case is moot, and the court has no controversy to litigate.

• Several reports on Tuesday’s talks indicate that the two sides have crept closer on the raw number of dollars that should go to players in the next deal. Under the just-expired collective bargaining agreement, players received 57 percent of basketball-related income (BRI). The union has offered to cut that share to 54.3 percent. Two sources familiar with the matter confirmed that the union indicated over the last week that it could trim that number more.

It’s unclear how far down the union might be willing to go. That is partly because the union never submitted any formal proposal beyond that 54.3 percent figure. The union made it clear on Tuesday that any cuts below that would be contingent on the NBA agreeing to keep the current soft cap structure, including all the exceptions that allow teams to blow over the cap and into luxury tax territory. The league balked, the union called the hard cap “a blood issue

 

[pmatic]

Six thoughts on the stalled labor talks

Some scattered thoughts in the wake of Tuesday’s apparent setback in labor talks:

• If negotiations break down entirely, the spotlight will shift to various legal proceedings, including the federal suit that the league filed against the union in August. The suit accused the union of using the threat of decertification and an antitrust lawsuit as a sham bargaining tactic designed to increase its leverage. The league’s complaint sought, among other things, a declaration that the lockout of the players is legal, that courts have little to no jurisdiction in the NBA’s collective bargaining dispute with the players, and that the league should be able to void all player contracts if the union does decertify.

Yahoo! Sports and ESPN.com reported late Tuesday that five high-powered agents are pushing union executive director Billy Hunter to decertify and file an antitrust suit, and may try to orchestrate a decertification vote if he chooses not to. Given that, it’s worth noting that the union is going to file its motion to dismiss the NBA’s suit on Friday. In that dismissal, its legal team will argue that the union has not made any decision to decertify or otherwise indicated that it is aggressively pursuing that option, according to two sources familiar with the matter. The motion will argue that without evidence of impending decertification, the NBA’s case is moot, and the court has no controversy to litigate.

• Several reports on Tuesday’s talks indicate that the two sides have crept closer on the raw number of dollars that should go to players in the next deal. Under the just-expired collective bargaining agreement, players received 57 percent of basketball-related income (BRI). The union has offered to cut that share to 54.3 percent. Two sources familiar with the matter confirmed that the union indicated over the last week that it could trim that number more.

It’s unclear how far down the union might be willing to go. That is partly because the union never submitted any formal proposal beyond that 54.3 percent figure. The union made it clear on Tuesday that any cuts below that would be contingent on the NBA agreeing to keep the current soft cap structure, including all the exceptions that allow teams to blow over the cap and into luxury tax territory. The league balked, the union called the hard cap “a blood issue

 

[duba169]

the union keeps negotiating against themselves

what the *%@# is hunter thinking

 

[duba169]

the union keeps negotiating against themselves

what the *%@# is hunter thinking

 

[pmatic]

He's trying to keep his job.

 

[pmatic]

He's trying to keep his job.

 

[duba169]

to the detriment of the cause

 

[duba169]

to the detriment of the cause

 

[statis22]

Salary floors, mandatory spending!!! Force owners to to put revenue back into the product (the players) which is what the players want and what $tern advocates.

I mean y'all always say the league is a have and have not leave, well let the teams that chooses not to compete stay at the bottom that way they can't cry wolf when profits don't turn out the way they like.


I been saying this since February. Y'all yentas better start listening to me!!!

 

[statis22]

Salary floors, mandatory spending!!! Force owners to to put revenue back into the product (the players) which is what the players want and what $tern advocates.

I mean y'all always say the league is a have and have not leave, well let the teams that chooses not to compete stay at the bottom that way they can't cry wolf when profits don't turn out the way they like.


I been saying this since February. Y'all yentas better start listening to me!!!

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by DubA169

to the detriment of the cause

I've been feeling this way as of lately as well.

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by DubA169

to the detriment of the cause

I've been feeling this way as of lately as well.

 

[everysingletime]

Without a doubt in mind, there's gunna be an nba season.  Both sides stand to lose too much.  

 

[everysingletime]

Without a doubt in mind, there's gunna be an nba season.  Both sides stand to lose too much.  

 

[pmatic]

Derek Fisher's letter to players;

To Each & Every Player,

After the latest round of meetings, I thought it would be best to update you personally as to where the leadership of the National Basketball Players Association stands, where the negotiations stand where we are headed and the reasons why.

Without a doubt, someone will be leaking this. I know it. The moment you read this you will know it. So, I say all with the fullest transparency.

I was elected as your President. By you. For you. I take great pride and am honored to serve the over 400 members of our association. I and our Executive Committee take this job and this role seriously and will not agree to an unfair deal on behalf of you and our players. Period.

I'm not looking out just for the marquee guy, I'm looking out for the guy that dreams of being a professional basketball player and gets a minimum deal. I'm not just trying to protect the guy on a team in a huge market. I'm protecting the player that is in a small market with incredibly loyal fans.

I've made it clear, I want to play. You have each made it clear, you want to play. The fans have been unwavering, they want their basketball. The thousand of employees that work in the arenas, the ticket offices, the concession stands, they want a season. We all want to go back to work.

The league and the team owners have locked us out. This was not our choice. Our employers decided to stop allowing us to do our jobs.

My job since July 1st is to find a solution. To find an outcome that protects each of you and your livelihoods and continues to allow us to play the game we love so much and the fans love supporting.

Since before the lockout began, I have spent hours upon hours, days, months, years, working on preparing you, the fans and the media about the possibilities. Now as the lockout has set in, reality of the situation is here.

The most recent meetings in New York were effective. What you have been told by your agents, representatives and the media is probably speculative and inaccurate.

What actually happened in those meetings was discussion, brainstorming and a sharing of options by both sides. The turning point this past Tuesday was not a disagreement between the players and the owners. It was actually a fundamental divide between the owners internally. They could not agree with each other on specific points of the deal and therefore it caused conflict within the league and its owners.

So it is our hope that today, Thursday, at the owners meeting in Dallas that they work out their differences, come up with a revenue sharing plan that will protect their teams and are then ready to come together and sign off on the agreement we as a smaller group deemed reasonable.

Decertification seems to be a hot button issue today in the media. So I'd like to address it. I've read yesterday's stories and find the position of these agents interesting. I have made myself available to each and every agent. But not once have I heard from them. If they are so concerned about the direction of the union, then why have they not contacted me? Each and every one of them mentioned has been in meetings with me. I've answered their questions, I've been told they support you, their players and our Players Association. So if there is a genuine concern, a suggestion, a question, call me. Email me. Text me. I'm working tirelessly each and every day on behalf of the over 400 players that they represent. Working for nothing but the best interests of THEIR guys. I don't make a commission, I don't make a salary for serving as President. I have NO ulterior motives. None.

It is because they have not come to me once that I question their motives.

I work every day on these negotiations. I work so that each player from Blake Griffin to Tyler Hansbrough, Pau Gasol to De'Andre Jordan, Dwight Howard to Jrue Holiday, Taj Gibson to Danny Granger, Steve Nash to Luke Babbit and every single player get a fair and reasonable deal. Not just for this year, not just for next year but for years to come. So that the league that WE the players largely helped build, continues to grow and thrive.

So to address the agents that have decided to say their piece yesterday, I don't mind. Perhaps they are trying to make news. Perhaps they just want to show you, their clients, they are working hard. But what would be appreciated by the 400+ players would be the support of our agents and constructive ideas, suggestions and solutions that are in our best interests. Not the push for a drastic move that leaves their players without a union, without pensions, without health care. We just aren't there.

I will remain committed to finding resolution to this because I know how important this is. I ask you to remain united with me and your over 400 allies, friends, brothers and colleagues. We are a powerful group if we remain united and focused on the task at hand.

I urge every single one of you to call me, text me, email me with anything. An idea, a suggestion, a concern, a question. I represent you. I work for you.

So to each player, each fan, each agent, each media member who ends up reading this...I stand behind this message. It comes from me, a 15 year veteran of basketball, the game I dreamt of playing as a kid, the game I love so much. I'm a teammate, I'm a father, I'm a son, I'm a husband, I'm a brother, but right now, the role I must work so hard to honor is the one as PA President. And I ask each of you to stand with me, stand by me and urge the league and the owners to come together and allow the game of basketball to continue to grow and thrive. We're ready.

Sincerely,

Derek

 

[pmatic]

Derek Fisher's letter to players;

To Each & Every Player,

After the latest round of meetings, I thought it would be best to update you personally as to where the leadership of the National Basketball Players Association stands, where the negotiations stand where we are headed and the reasons why.

Without a doubt, someone will be leaking this. I know it. The moment you read this you will know it. So, I say all with the fullest transparency.

I was elected as your President. By you. For you. I take great pride and am honored to serve the over 400 members of our association. I and our Executive Committee take this job and this role seriously and will not agree to an unfair deal on behalf of you and our players. Period.

I'm not looking out just for the marquee guy, I'm looking out for the guy that dreams of being a professional basketball player and gets a minimum deal. I'm not just trying to protect the guy on a team in a huge market. I'm protecting the player that is in a small market with incredibly loyal fans.

I've made it clear, I want to play. You have each made it clear, you want to play. The fans have been unwavering, they want their basketball. The thousand of employees that work in the arenas, the ticket offices, the concession stands, they want a season. We all want to go back to work.

The league and the team owners have locked us out. This was not our choice. Our employers decided to stop allowing us to do our jobs.

My job since July 1st is to find a solution. To find an outcome that protects each of you and your livelihoods and continues to allow us to play the game we love so much and the fans love supporting.

Since before the lockout began, I have spent hours upon hours, days, months, years, working on preparing you, the fans and the media about the possibilities. Now as the lockout has set in, reality of the situation is here.

The most recent meetings in New York were effective. What you have been told by your agents, representatives and the media is probably speculative and inaccurate.

What actually happened in those meetings was discussion, brainstorming and a sharing of options by both sides. The turning point this past Tuesday was not a disagreement between the players and the owners. It was actually a fundamental divide between the owners internally. They could not agree with each other on specific points of the deal and therefore it caused conflict within the league and its owners.

So it is our hope that today, Thursday, at the owners meeting in Dallas that they work out their differences, come up with a revenue sharing plan that will protect their teams and are then ready to come together and sign off on the agreement we as a smaller group deemed reasonable.

Decertification seems to be a hot button issue today in the media. So I'd like to address it. I've read yesterday's stories and find the position of these agents interesting. I have made myself available to each and every agent. But not once have I heard from them. If they are so concerned about the direction of the union, then why have they not contacted me? Each and every one of them mentioned has been in meetings with me. I've answered their questions, I've been told they support you, their players and our Players Association. So if there is a genuine concern, a suggestion, a question, call me. Email me. Text me. I'm working tirelessly each and every day on behalf of the over 400 players that they represent. Working for nothing but the best interests of THEIR guys. I don't make a commission, I don't make a salary for serving as President. I have NO ulterior motives. None.

It is because they have not come to me once that I question their motives.

I work every day on these negotiations. I work so that each player from Blake Griffin to Tyler Hansbrough, Pau Gasol to De'Andre Jordan, Dwight Howard to Jrue Holiday, Taj Gibson to Danny Granger, Steve Nash to Luke Babbit and every single player get a fair and reasonable deal. Not just for this year, not just for next year but for years to come. So that the league that WE the players largely helped build, continues to grow and thrive.

So to address the agents that have decided to say their piece yesterday, I don't mind. Perhaps they are trying to make news. Perhaps they just want to show you, their clients, they are working hard. But what would be appreciated by the 400+ players would be the support of our agents and constructive ideas, suggestions and solutions that are in our best interests. Not the push for a drastic move that leaves their players without a union, without pensions, without health care. We just aren't there.

I will remain committed to finding resolution to this because I know how important this is. I ask you to remain united with me and your over 400 allies, friends, brothers and colleagues. We are a powerful group if we remain united and focused on the task at hand.

I urge every single one of you to call me, text me, email me with anything. An idea, a suggestion, a concern, a question. I represent you. I work for you.

So to each player, each fan, each agent, each media member who ends up reading this...I stand behind this message. It comes from me, a 15 year veteran of basketball, the game I dreamt of playing as a kid, the game I love so much. I'm a teammate, I'm a father, I'm a son, I'm a husband, I'm a brother, but right now, the role I must work so hard to honor is the one as PA President. And I ask each of you to stand with me, stand by me and urge the league and the owners to come together and allow the game of basketball to continue to grow and thrive. We're ready.

Sincerely,

Derek