Kanye West: King of the Sunken Place, "Watch the Throne"

[Brownstone]

My guy doesn't understand the difference between laughing at Kanye, and laughing at slavery........Or are they both the same now?

 

[the 7th mile]

You calling someone a hypocrite is rich.

Because if you want to use this equivalency, remember you argued that Kanye should not be criticized for his views, yet criticize the meme makers.

That is hypocrisy as well.

I never said he shouldn’t be criticized for his views, I’ve previously said he didn’t word it in the best way and I understand but I MYSELF am not going to criticize him because I thought I understood what he was saying and when he later clarified what he me meant it was spot on to what I thought.

I’m talking about you and the rest of mob....If what Kanye said was so appalling, them tweets/memes should make you just as equally appalled. It can’t be funny on one stretch and serious on the other.

 

[the 7th mile]

My guy doesn't understand the difference between laughing at Kanye, and laughing at slavery........Or are they both the same now?

It’s not just me though

 

[ksteezy]

Bruh don’t want the value of his Yeezys to plummet....lol

 

[sfc415]

Bruh don’t want the value of his Yeezys to plummet....lol

This is the underlying reason behind every pro Kanye post.

 

[sooperhooper]

my question is do people really have an understanding of what slavery was?

the effect of families broken apart, house/field dynamics etc etc

or is it just thoughts go no further than cotton

i mean how many people really sit and think about what it meant to be a slave in those days?

It's glossed over too frequently and there's little to no remorse or acknowledgment of the harm caused. It's gonna take someone to make a verv VERY graphic movie that details the damage done for it to be truly appreciated.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I never said he shouldn’t be criticized for his views, I’ve previously said he didn’t word it in the best way and I understand but I MYSELF am not going to criticize him because I thought I understood what he was saying and when he later clarified what he me meant it was spot on to what I thought.

I’m talking about you and the rest of mob....If what Kanye said was so appalling, them tweets/memes should make you just as equally appalled. It can’t be funny on one stretch and serious on the other.

You don't understand satire, and I explain it to you already how the two things are different.

No matter what I say, you will act dense. So what is the point?

 

[Peep Game]

 

[the 7th mile]

You don't understand satire, and I explain it to you already how the two things are different.

No matter what I say, you will act dense. So what is the point?

I do understand satire...what does my understanding of satire have to do with what you find humorous and what you take seriously? it’s still slavery jokes, you still laughing at and creating jokes about slavery. Is blackface satire? Is that funny too?

 

[ksteezy]

I do understand satire...what does my understanding of satire have to do with what you find humorous and what you take seriously? it’s still slavery jokes, you still laughing at and creating jokes about slavery. Is blackface satire? Is that funny too?

Blackface was created by white people...that’s not how satire works b....you really this dumb?

 

[Nawzlew]

my question is do people really have an understanding of what slavery was?

the effect of families broken apart, house/field dynamics etc etc

or is it just thoughts go no further than cotton

i mean how many people really sit and think about what it meant to be a slave in those days?

good amount of folks probably think things were better for blacks after 1863

black people weren't even considered "equal" until 100 years later.

 

[the 7th mile]

Blackface was created by white people...that’s not how satire works b....you really this dumb?

Blackface was created by white ppl...Who created Slavery in the US?

 

[Nawzlew]

This is the underlying reason behind every pro Kanye post.

tryna move these turtle doves to a trumper for a couple racks

 

[ksteezy]

Blackface was created by white ppl...Who created Slavery in the US?

EXACTLY! NOT blacks...lmao

 

[sooperhooper]

Those memes are plays on kanye's lunacy. Not people's actual views toward slavery.

 

[the 7th mile]

EXACTLY! NOT blacks...lmao

Bruh ...I’m like 5 seconds from ignoring you man, I thought you was smart but it makes sense you not even black right? Of course you don’t know what you’re talking about, you just wanna be down

 

[the 7th mile]

Ay I apologize bro I shouldn’t have said that ksteezy

 

[sooperhooper]

Ain't that the same dude that smashed his cousins girl when his cuz was locked up?

Nt really does not forget. Wow. I remember that story clear as day but would've never been able to recall who it was.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I do understand satire...what does my understanding of satire have to do with what you find humorous and what you take seriously? it’s still slavery jokes, you still laughing at and creating jokes about slavery. Is blackface satire? Is that funny too?

First off, I didn't create any of the Twitter memes, no one in this thread did. So if that is part of your outrage, Spare me.

The memes use slavery to mock Kanye comments. Kanye's ******** is what is being an attack, he is the punchline, not the victims of slavery. This is the fundamental concept you refuse to acknowledge. If you want to say the Tweet like 1600s thing is offensive, fine, the comparison between the two works better. But the context of these memes are not to make light of slavery, it is to point out how ridiculous the saying "slavery was a choice".

You want to take away the context to make the argument that Kanye saying slavery is a choice these memes present slavery a choice, so they must be equivalent, and anyone that does object to both is a hypocrite. This is why I keep telling you don't understand satire because you want to strip the purpose of these memes to make your comparison work. Kanye wants his words to be taken literally, the creators of these memes don't.

Yes blackface is satire in a way, and no it is not funny. You know why, because of context matter. Blackface is used to mock black people, black people are a punchline. The purpose of it in minstrel shows was to present black people as buffoons and little else. That is not the purpose of these memes, no matter how much you protest, that is clearly not the purpose. In fact, the memes show foolish the assertion "slavery is a choice" really is. One more time, Kanye's word attacked the victims of slavery decisions, these memes attack the assertion slavery was a choice. That is how they are different.

The fundamental assumptions you make to argue your point is flawed.

BTW, you are still a hypocrite. You are making the comparison between the memes (stripped of context and purpose) and Kanye comments, you let one slide and are offended at the other. The very same thing you are calling "the mob" hypocrites for doing.

 

[AZwildcats]

I saw the part of the Charlemagne video where Kanye started talking about slavery. This dude has always been attention hungry, but not like this

 

[the 7th mile]

First off, I didn't create any of the Twitter memes, no one in this thread did. So if that is part of your outrage, Spare me.

The memes use slavery to mock Kanye comments. Kanye's bull**** is what is being an attack, he is the punchline, not the victims of slavery. This is the fundamental concept you refuse to acknowledge. If you want to say the Tweet like 1600s thing is offensive, fine, the comparison between the two works better. But the context of these memes are not to make light of slavery, it is to point out how ridiculous the saying "slavery was a choice".

You want to take away the context to make the argument that Kanye saying slavery is a choice these memes present slavery a choice, so they must be equivalent, and anyone that does object to both is a hypocrite. This is why I keep telling you don't understand satire because you want to strip the purpose of these memes to make your comparison work. Kanye wants his words to be taken literally, the creators of these memes don't.

Yes blackface is satire in a way, and no it is not funny. You know why, because of context matter. Blackface is used to mock black people, black people are a punchline. The purpose of it in minstrel shows was to present black people as buffoons and little else. That is not the purpose of these memes, no matter how much you protest, that is clearly not the purpose. In fact, the memes show foolish the assertion "slavery is a choice" really is. One more time, Kanye's word attacked the victims of slavery decisions, these memes attack the assertion slavery was a choice. That is how they are different.

BTW, you are still a hypocrite. You are making the comparison between the memes (stripped of context and purpose) and Kanye comments, you let one slide and are offended at the other. The very same thing you are calling "the mob" hypocrites for doing.

Bro you are making fun of things that happened during slavery, you can type a 10 page final draft and it’s not gonna change that .This **** is crazy...

Kanye or no Kanye, statement or no statement, satire or no satire, them memes stand alone as slave jokes, trying to get lols off of slavery. If what he said was so ridiculous, then let it be ridiculous. Dissect it, say why you don’t agree, give history, give facts...Don’t use it as an excuse to ******* LAUGH ABOUT SLAVERY. 2 wrongs in this this sense definitely don’t make a right. What’s so hard about that? Kanye making a “crazy” statement gives you a reason to find humor in a meme titled “When massa try to rape you for the first time”.....lmaoo ***** what???

 

[RustyShackleford]

Bro you are making fun of things that happened during slavery, you can type a 10 page final draft and it’s not gonna change that .This **** is crazy...

Kanye or no Kanye, statement or no statement, satire or no satire, them memes stand alone as slave jokes, trying to get lols off of slavery. If what he said was so ridiculous, then let it be ridiculous. Dissect it, say why you don’t agree, give history, give facts...Don’t use it as an excuse to ****ING LAUGH ABOUT SLAVERY. 2 wrongs in this this sense definitely don’t make a right. What’s so hard about that? Kanye making a “crazy” statement gives you a reason to find humor in a meme titled “When massa try to rape you for the first time”.....lmaoo ***** what???

-First, ******* quote me making a joke or laughing like at a joke like that. Quote where I make light or a slave getting raped. You say wanting to exaggerate what the other side is doing to grab the moral high ground. So please, quote me laughing about rape, or **** all the way off with that.

-Second, I right detailed post to explain myself thoroughly. Unlike Kanye West, and try to express me in detail. If you don't like, then can stop engaging with me, that simple.

-For the last damn time, the memes don't make fun of slaves' lives, they mock the assertion Kanye main. I have explained that to you over and over and all you seem able to do is a bunch of silly hand waving because dropping that comparison kills your argument. The only thing is crazy is how dense you are being. The only thing that is crazy that you can't comprehend what is being said to you outta his desire to defend Kanye.

And I did attack Kanye post with History and facts, maybe you missed it. But here, from yesterday.....

People like you can not comprehend white supremacy because you can't think in systems. Everything is on the margin, and on an individual level when it comes to racism. That way defending racism, bigotry, and white supremacy becomes easy for you.

So because a slave doesn't choose death over bondage they then become complicit in that bondage? That because they didn't choose to end their life, or risk death they now share the blame for the plundering of their homeland and body.

Black slaves didn't choose for slave ships to come to Africa

Black slaves didn't choose for a profit motive to be created so the plunder of black bodies was seen as an economic opportunity

Black slaves didn't choose for them to be sold like property

Black slaves didn't choose for America and the deep south to be overly dependent on a certain crop to gain economic power over the rest of the world

Black slaves didn't choose to build the infrastructure that allowed slavery to go on.

Black slaves didn't choose to peddle trash race science, trash religious interruptions, or a trash culture that justified keeping a group of people in bondage

Black slaves didn't choose to keep this disgusting institution in place long after the economic forces that put in place were no longer there

Black slaves didn't choose the institution of slavery

A black slave at most chooses on the margin whether to end his life, risk his/her life and the life of the people he loves most for freedom, or being bondage.

Some chose death, some risk their lives, many died, some didn't, but I am not the type of morally bankrupt piece of **** that sits back over a hundred years in the future and tries to victim blame these people for not killing themselves.

But you go right ahead. Maybe you could even make a struggle rap song about it too, Ye might be willing to produce.

So you can spare me this "why not attack it with history" shtick too. I did that already.

So if you are going to ignore my previous post, lie about the content of my post, fail to comprehend the basic arguments in my post, and complain about the detail of my post, then we are pretty much done here. Because I am clearly wasting my time and energy on you.

But I'm still going to need to quote me laughing at slaves getting raped. Especially since I noticed you in another thread taking issue with dudes misrepresenting Ye's words; live by those same principles, and quote me laughing at slaves getting raped. I'll be patiently waiting....

 

[the 7th mile]

This funny?

 

[the 7th mile]

 

[the 7th mile]

These **** crazy I don’t think that’s the choice Kanye was getting at