The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap

[dacomeup]

Yea, there will be no season this year.

 

[dacomeup]

Yea, there will be no season this year.

 

[dakid23]

Originally Posted by DubA169

fact is if you dont support the product when yoir team is trash than you shouldnt be propped up. knicks been trash plenty of times. people still went to games. i bet when chicao sucked they still had people going to games too/

NY and the Chi have 5 + million people living there. Sac has less then 500,000.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

later.

 

[dakid23]

Originally Posted by DubA169

fact is if you dont support the product when yoir team is trash than you shouldnt be propped up. knicks been trash plenty of times. people still went to games. i bet when chicao sucked they still had people going to games too/

NY and the Chi have 5 + million people living there. Sac has less then 500,000.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

later.

 

[duba169]

Then stick another two teams in new york and Chicago. Some markets do better than others.

How many people reside in green bay?

Indiana has a huge basketball following. Their team isn't that bad. They have no excuse for not going.

You know what I learned from this lock out. The NBA isn't that popular. Even in new York most ppl are chilling out watching college sports and hockey. 90 percent of my co workers don't give a !*+@ bout this lock out. This is in new York. Bet it's much worse in the middle of the country. That's a huge long term problem.

 

[duba169]

Then stick another two teams in new york and Chicago. Some markets do better than others.

How many people reside in green bay?

Indiana has a huge basketball following. Their team isn't that bad. They have no excuse for not going.

You know what I learned from this lock out. The NBA isn't that popular. Even in new York most ppl are chilling out watching college sports and hockey. 90 percent of my co workers don't give a !*+@ bout this lock out. This is in new York. Bet it's much worse in the middle of the country. That's a huge long term problem.

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by PMatic

@WojYahooNBA As many as 50 NBA players were part of conference call with anti-trust attorney Thursday discussing union decertification, sources tell Y!

@WojYahooNBA There were two conference calls held this week -- Tuesday and Thursday -- without knowledge of NBPA officials, sources tell Y!

@WojYahooNBA Calls included several All-Stars. One source on calls told Y!: "We're beyond frustrated with concessions that have already been made."

@WojYahooNBA Here was theme: If NBPA drops below 52% on BRI, and/or remaining system issues go league's way, then this will become movement to decertify.


Players need to stop listening to their self-absorbed agents. The agents are turning out to be a serious cog in the wheel of this. Feeding players junk advice just to look out for themselves.

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by PMatic

@WojYahooNBA As many as 50 NBA players were part of conference call with anti-trust attorney Thursday discussing union decertification, sources tell Y!

@WojYahooNBA There were two conference calls held this week -- Tuesday and Thursday -- without knowledge of NBPA officials, sources tell Y!

@WojYahooNBA Calls included several All-Stars. One source on calls told Y!: "We're beyond frustrated with concessions that have already been made."

@WojYahooNBA Here was theme: If NBPA drops below 52% on BRI, and/or remaining system issues go league's way, then this will become movement to decertify.


Players need to stop listening to their self-absorbed agents. The agents are turning out to be a serious cog in the wheel of this. Feeding players junk advice just to look out for themselves.

 

[statis22]

How you gon say if you don't support the team when it's good then it shouldn't be propped up, you describing like 3/4 of the NBA.

Every city ain't LA or NY. And then when the team gets good they want to jack up ticket prices. I bet it was a lot cheaper to go to a Miami Heat game in 2009 than it was in 2011.

That post was just ridiculous.

 

[statis22]

How you gon say if you don't support the team when it's good then it shouldn't be propped up, you describing like 3/4 of the NBA.

Every city ain't LA or NY. And then when the team gets good they want to jack up ticket prices. I bet it was a lot cheaper to go to a Miami Heat game in 2009 than it was in 2011.

That post was just ridiculous.

 

[da r entertainment]

This may just be the bluff the players need to get the owners moving. If the players decert bball would be gone for 2 years and I'm sure the owners don't want that.

 

[myjaysgetrocked]

Originally Posted by Da R Entertainment

This may just be the bluff the players need to get the owners moving. If the players decert bball would be gone for 2 years and I'm sure the owners don't want that.

I really hate sounding like I'm always taking the owners side, but this would hurt the players more than the owners.  Owners <- mega-millionaires and billionaires while the players<- millionaires. 

 

[got shoes]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by MoNeyLiCiouS

Ric Bucher said something about the small market owners wanting a system where their next Lebron James won't be able to dictate when he leaves and where he wants to go.

  

so pretty much a restricted free agent forever with no say-so? Kinda lost about this one

 

[airjordan jb23]

Ric Bucher said something about the small market owners wanting a system where their next Lebron James won't be able to dictate when he leaves and where he wants to go.

 

[lawdog1]

Originally Posted by MyJaysGetRocked

Originally Posted by Da R Entertainment

This may just be the bluff the players need to get the owners moving. If the players decert bball would be gone for 2 years and I'm sure the owners don't want that.

I really hate sounding like I'm always taking the owners side, but this would hurt the players more than the owners.  Owners <- mega-millionaires and billionaires while the players<- millionaires. 

I agree.  If this is going to turn in to a protracted legal battle, the owners have the resources to outlast the players.  And the timing of this decertification rumor doesn't help the players that much, coming off the rumors last week that there are already starting to be divisions among the players.  We'll see, but I suspect the owners are willing to call this bluff.  

 

[dmbrhs]

UPDATE: If put to a vote, the consensus is that a majority of players would accept a 50-50 deal as a lesser of two evils when compared to the losses they would incur from losing the entire season. Amid all the other agendas and damage control flying around Thursday, that's what makes a potential rogue decertification effort by frustrated players so fascinating -- and potentially apocalyptic when it comes to the chances of salvaging a deal, and the season.

To dissolve the union through decertification -- as opposed to a disclaimer of interest, in which the union would voluntarily cease representing the players -- a vote of 30 percent of union membership would be required to start the ball rolling. If that hurdle were cleared, a vote of 50 percent plus one of the membership would be required to make it official.

If decertification were achieved, the players would then sue the NBA for antitrust violations in federal court, a process that would take months to lead to further negotiations -- and potentially years to reach a final conclusion, according to legal sources. The league already has threatened in a federal lawsuit filed in August to void all existing player contracts if the union dissolved.

If the players decertified, they would be legally barred from reforming the union for one year -- unless the owners decided to recognize the union again at some point prior to that in order to achieve a collective bargaining agreement.

In a word, this would be chaos. This is where we are in a lockout that has gotten so messy, so fast that it is impossible to predict what cataclysmic events might unfold next.

It is possible that the mere threat of decertificaiton, which would all but ensure a lost season of revenues for the owners, could provide a much-needed trigger point to move the negotiations forward Saturday. But it also has the potential to further fracture the union, pitting star players and their high-profile agents against the rank-and-file who are more willing to accept the best deal they can get now to salvage close to a full season of earnings.

Two sources involved in the process agreed that the most logical solution to break the impasse would be for Stern and Hunter – the highest ranking officials charged with getting a deal – to meet privately and discuss parameters for the obvious tradeoffs that must occur to bridge the BRI gap. But one of the people said this was not a possibility that Hunter and Stern discussed in their telephone call Wednesday, and there is speculation that Stern’s hands are tied by hard-line owners who are preventing him from offering the final tradeoffs necessary to satisfy each side.

“I don't think the battle is within our union,

 

[dmbrhs]

UPDATE: If put to a vote, the consensus is that a majority of players would accept a 50-50 deal as a lesser of two evils when compared to the losses they would incur from losing the entire season. Amid all the other agendas and damage control flying around Thursday, that's what makes a potential rogue decertification effort by frustrated players so fascinating -- and potentially apocalyptic when it comes to the chances of salvaging a deal, and the season.

To dissolve the union through decertification -- as opposed to a disclaimer of interest, in which the union would voluntarily cease representing the players -- a vote of 30 percent of union membership would be required to start the ball rolling. If that hurdle were cleared, a vote of 50 percent plus one of the membership would be required to make it official.

If decertification were achieved, the players would then sue the NBA for antitrust violations in federal court, a process that would take months to lead to further negotiations -- and potentially years to reach a final conclusion, according to legal sources. The league already has threatened in a federal lawsuit filed in August to void all existing player contracts if the union dissolved.

If the players decertified, they would be legally barred from reforming the union for one year -- unless the owners decided to recognize the union again at some point prior to that in order to achieve a collective bargaining agreement.

In a word, this would be chaos. This is where we are in a lockout that has gotten so messy, so fast that it is impossible to predict what cataclysmic events might unfold next.

It is possible that the mere threat of decertificaiton, which would all but ensure a lost season of revenues for the owners, could provide a much-needed trigger point to move the negotiations forward Saturday. But it also has the potential to further fracture the union, pitting star players and their high-profile agents against the rank-and-file who are more willing to accept the best deal they can get now to salvage close to a full season of earnings.

Two sources involved in the process agreed that the most logical solution to break the impasse would be for Stern and Hunter – the highest ranking officials charged with getting a deal – to meet privately and discuss parameters for the obvious tradeoffs that must occur to bridge the BRI gap. But one of the people said this was not a possibility that Hunter and Stern discussed in their telephone call Wednesday, and there is speculation that Stern’s hands are tied by hard-line owners who are preventing him from offering the final tradeoffs necessary to satisfy each side.

“I don't think the battle is within our union,

 

[you big dummy]

Players should have used this de-certification threat at the beginning, before losing every single item they were negotiating for. Its kinda late in the battle but at this point the players have already lost. Hopefully this is enough to get the owners to start cooperating and try to get something done this weekend, if not....war

 

[you big dummy]

Players should have used this de-certification threat at the beginning, before losing every single item they were negotiating for. Its kinda late in the battle but at this point the players have already lost. Hopefully this is enough to get the owners to start cooperating and try to get something done this weekend, if not....war

 

[jaeevolution]

These guys are playing Russian Roulette man...

If something doesn't happen soon, where one side budges we are in BIG trouble.

 

[jaeevolution]

These guys are playing Russian Roulette man...

If something doesn't happen soon, where one side budges we are in BIG trouble.

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by you big dummy

Players should have used this de-certification threat at the beginning, before losing every single item they were negotiating for. Its kinda late in the battle but at this point the players have already lost. Hopefully this is enough to get the owners to start cooperating and try to get something done this weekend, if not....war

The owners aren't budging. And the steps it would take to actually decertify won't happen. There are too many guys in the league that need these pay checks. The rank-and-file will overpower the guys on top. Happened in '99, and it'll happen this time.

 

[dmbrhs]

Originally Posted by you big dummy

Players should have used this de-certification threat at the beginning, before losing every single item they were negotiating for. Its kinda late in the battle but at this point the players have already lost. Hopefully this is enough to get the owners to start cooperating and try to get something done this weekend, if not....war

The owners aren't budging. And the steps it would take to actually decertify won't happen. There are too many guys in the league that need these pay checks. The rank-and-file will overpower the guys on top. Happened in '99, and it'll happen this time.