The Official NBA Collective Bargaining Thread vol Phased in Hard Cap

[japanair21]

Mavericks about to be the only team in history that's going to be a two-year champion that didn't have to defend.

 

[big j 33]

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[CP1708]

 

[CP1708]

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Neal with it.

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Neal with it.

 

[pip777]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by CP1708

Neal with it.

 

[mrdieselfuel09]

Originally Posted by pip777

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by CP1708

Neal with it.

 

[iamjusayn]

Originally Posted by lawdog1

Originally Posted by kash55


CP1708
^So you think the P.A. latest move was a positive one?
They didn't even put it to a vote to see if players wanted to play. The P.A. is a joke, the Owners are old greedy jerks. But, this shows that the players are 80% about making more money, 20% wanting to play basketball.

I'm unhappy with the players right now, but I don't think their latest move is about money.  If it was really just about money, I'm not sure the players would be willing to lose a whole season of paychecks.  At this point, I think its more about not getting "disrespected" by the owners and Stern.  Just look at the Derozan tweet that DubA posted -- he's pissed about getting "talked down" to.  Basically, for a lot of players, I think it comes down to not wanting to get pushed around about a bunch of rich, white CEO types.  No more complicated than that.  I personally think that's a little shortsighted and unrealistic view to take, but I do think that's what going on here.  I don't think its about greed on the players' part.   

  

Yup, that's what it's about

 

[pmatic]

Sportsnation poll

 

[gaseousfashion]

Originally Posted by aepps20

Originally Posted by dmbrhs

Originally Posted by acidicality

It's hard for him if they don't serve any donuts

And the reporters probably don't share their pizza with players either.

I don't blame them.  Would anyone want to share any food with this guy?

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by CP1708

Neal with it.

Nealt with.

You can celebrate your fake back to back "championship year" claim, meanwhile we have actual back to backs. 

  

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by CP1708

Neal with it.

Nealt with.

You can celebrate your fake back to back "championship year" claim, meanwhile we have actual back to backs. 

  

 

[seasoned vet]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Nealt with.

You can celebrate your fake back to back "championship year" claim, meanwhile we have actual back to backs. 

  

......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 
 

 

[seasoned vet]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Nealt with.

You can celebrate your fake back to back "championship year" claim, meanwhile we have actual back to backs. 

  

......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 
 

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by seasoned vet


  ......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 

Eh, they lost 2 other titles in that period as well.  If Shaq would have stayed in shape better and not taken so much time off, maybe he and Kob could have gotten along better.  But oh well, they both got what they wanted, Shaq got another ring in Miami, Kobe got a couple more after.  Fair enough for both. 

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by seasoned vet


  ......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 

Eh, they lost 2 other titles in that period as well.  If Shaq would have stayed in shape better and not taken so much time off, maybe he and Kob could have gotten along better.  But oh well, they both got what they wanted, Shaq got another ring in Miami, Kobe got a couple more after.  Fair enough for both. 

 

[bigmike23]

What did screaming A Smith say that has players and Whitlock going at him

 

[bigmike23]

What did screaming A Smith say that has players and Whitlock going at him

 

[seasoned vet]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by seasoned vet


  ......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 

  
If Shaq would have stayed in shape better and not taken so much time off, maybe he and Kob could have gotten along better.  

.......so thats what you riding with huh? 
 
 

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by seasoned vet


  ......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 

  
Fair enough for both..  

   ......fair enough? not for a real LA fan.
 
 
 
- as stated 2002-2009 is one hell of a gap considering what could have been, sad man.
 
 

 
 

 

[seasoned vet]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by seasoned vet


  ......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 

  
If Shaq would have stayed in shape better and not taken so much time off, maybe he and Kob could have gotten along better.  

.......so thats what you riding with huh? 
 
 

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by seasoned vet


  ......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 

  
Fair enough for both..  

   ......fair enough? not for a real LA fan.
 
 
 
- as stated 2002-2009 is one hell of a gap considering what could have been, sad man.
 
 

 
 

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by seasoned vet

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by seasoned vet


  ......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 

  
If Shaq would have stayed in shape better and not taken so much time off, maybe he and Kob could have gotten along better.  

.......so thats what you riding with huh? 
 
 

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by seasoned vet


  ......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 

  
Fair enough for both..  

   ......fair enough? not for a real LA fan.
 
 
 
- as stated 2002-2009 is one hell of a gap considering what could have been, sad man.
 
 

 
 

I'll try and help you out a little bit here man.  They got 3, 2003 they lost because they were worn down.  (3 deep finals runs will do that) 

They reloaded and tried again in 04, close but no cigar.  Say they got that.  That's 4.  They come back in 05, 4 finals runs in 5 years, Shaq aging and breaking down, do they win that one?  Maybe, maybe not.  Let's go ahead and give it to them.  Ok, that's 5.  2006, do they win, after 5 finals in 6 years?  Use your brain here.  Great possibility that they don't.  Weary legs only get you so far.  Also remember, in order to pull this off, 5 in 6 years, making that 7th run, we need perfect health for both Kobe AND Shaq, think that's happening? 

So, we're at 2007, 5 titles, and Shaq is now a shadow of himself.  Do they squeak another in there?  Possibly.  So we end up with what, 6 total now. And Kobe sits at 5.  So we're 1 short.  1.  And you in here tryin to act knowlegable about things and callin out fans. 

  Here I thought you came in to have some sort of discussion, instead you still trollin hard.  I see you playboy, I see you.  Do your thang man. 

Real LA fan. 

  

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by seasoned vet

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by seasoned vet


  ......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 

  
If Shaq would have stayed in shape better and not taken so much time off, maybe he and Kob could have gotten along better.  

.......so thats what you riding with huh? 
 
 

Originally Posted by CP1708

Originally Posted by seasoned vet


  ......2002-2009? damn, that a big gap. sad to think of what could have been.
 

  
Fair enough for both..  

   ......fair enough? not for a real LA fan.
 
 
 
- as stated 2002-2009 is one hell of a gap considering what could have been, sad man.
 
 

 
 

I'll try and help you out a little bit here man.  They got 3, 2003 they lost because they were worn down.  (3 deep finals runs will do that) 

They reloaded and tried again in 04, close but no cigar.  Say they got that.  That's 4.  They come back in 05, 4 finals runs in 5 years, Shaq aging and breaking down, do they win that one?  Maybe, maybe not.  Let's go ahead and give it to them.  Ok, that's 5.  2006, do they win, after 5 finals in 6 years?  Use your brain here.  Great possibility that they don't.  Weary legs only get you so far.  Also remember, in order to pull this off, 5 in 6 years, making that 7th run, we need perfect health for both Kobe AND Shaq, think that's happening? 

So, we're at 2007, 5 titles, and Shaq is now a shadow of himself.  Do they squeak another in there?  Possibly.  So we end up with what, 6 total now. And Kobe sits at 5.  So we're 1 short.  1.  And you in here tryin to act knowlegable about things and callin out fans. 

  Here I thought you came in to have some sort of discussion, instead you still trollin hard.  I see you playboy, I see you.  Do your thang man. 

Real LA fan. 

  

 

[CP1708]

Back to the actual topic, Stern has to go now doesn't he?  How could he be allowed to survive TWO labor issues in 12 years?  Has any other commish ever had 2 under one reign?  And I mean one that cost games, not like Goodell just had where the season starts on time, that I understand.